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re: Is JLee ruined?
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:44 pm to LSUfan4444
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:44 pm to LSUfan4444
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I guess I am just not getting your point on this one, considering one pass won the game and the other cost the game. Downside seems obvious.
you are looking at the result, not the decision
the decision is what is/was being criticized
sorry, edited to read..........
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I guess I am just not getting your point on this one, considering one pass that had to be thrown won the game and the other pass that did not have to be thrown cost the game. Downside seems obvious.
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Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:49 pm to BilJ
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I don't really remember the placement of JR's ball on that throw
both passes could have been complete with leaping grabs with a throw high and outside...early was a bit more open, but it was also a 40 yard pass, not 20 yard pass
both were crappy decisions, lee just didn't make a crappy enough throw
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:50 pm to jaxfl tiger
quite clearly on JL's pass to lafell (with him being double covered), byrd was wide open in the middle of the field.
thus showing that JL never looked off lafell the whole time.
thus showing that JL never looked off lafell the whole time.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:52 pm to diamondtiger
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You still failed to acknowledge the fact that Russell HAD to make a pass and Lee did not
i didn't fail to acknowledge it, i just won't say that throwing the ball 40 yards downfield to a guy in double coverage was his only option. he actually roleld right (similar to what lee did), then rolled back across the field
he had to make a pass, not 40yards downfield
if lee makes a throwhigh and outside and lafell catches it, then lee gets credit for having guts
hell, he was praised for making the throw against auburn this year when we didn't need it
miles was praised last year for calling a pass against auburn when we didn't "need" it
inconsistencies make a hypocrit
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:55 pm to LSUfan4444
I'm not even disagreeing with you that Lee can develop and become a very good QB. Hell early on when Lee was fricking up I was probably one of his biggest defenders here.
Its just the larger sample I've gotten on him just points to him not working out. Thats just my opinion, been wrong quite a few times.
next year is a big year for him we'll see. My main point in this thread is fan's perception doesn't effect development one way or the other. If it did JR would have never amounted to shite and Flynn would have won multiple Heismans
Its just the larger sample I've gotten on him just points to him not working out. Thats just my opinion, been wrong quite a few times.
next year is a big year for him we'll see. My main point in this thread is fan's perception doesn't effect development one way or the other. If it did JR would have never amounted to shite and Flynn would have won multiple Heismans
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:55 pm to LSUfan4444
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he had to make a pass, not 40yards downfield
actually, since that's where all of his receivers were (notably doucet) he did have to.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:56 pm to TheDoc
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quite clearly on JL's pass to lafell (with him being double covered), byrd was wide open in the middle of the field.
i'm sure lee was told to never throw back across the middle....now, did he over run the roll out? probably. byrd was open, and that is where the ball should have went
i am not saying he is blameless. he needs to be criticized for making aterrible decision. i am just calling for consistencies in who/what we criticize. it won't ever happen b/c fans care about results, not processes, but it is alofty dream of mine
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:56 pm to LSUfan4444
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hell, he was praised for making the throw against auburn this year when we didn't need it
lafell was in one on one coverage, ran an excellent route that, the AU cb was way out of position, it wasn't really a gamble
the playcall a gamble perhaps, but not the throw
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:57 pm to LSUfan4444
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i am not saying he is blameless.
oh, of course not.
crowton has been putting him in bad plays all year.
but JL never looks at a secondary receiver.
I put that on coaching, not JL.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 1:59 pm to LSUfan4444
I'm not making the comparison, but didn't Peyton Manning have a horrendous rookie season in the NFL? He was served to wolves that first season, too. I think as long as he is mentally tough he will be fine. It's all in his head at this point.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 2:01 pm to rpg37
youre comparing lee to peyton manning now?
wow.
wow.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 2:02 pm to rpg37
but he also had a very solid true freshmen season at UT. bad comparison there chief
Posted on 11/26/08 at 2:02 pm to TheDoc
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thus showing that JL never looked off lafell the whole time.
It was a one man route! JLee rolled to the right and Byrd was on the left side of the field. Lafell ran a flag route to the corner! The safety followed the roll-out of JLee and he never accounted for him b/c that isn't the read on that throw.
#49 read the route and JLee never accounted for the bacskside safety. Once JLee rolled to the right it took Byrd completely out of the play and allowed the safety to play over the top. I blame that on Crowton.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 2:03 pm to TheDoc
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youre comparing lee to peyton manning now?
wow.
troy aikman had that issue too
Posted on 11/26/08 at 2:03 pm to BilJ
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My main point in this thread is fan's perception doesn't effect development one way or the other.
i would mostly agree, but when perception leads to over criticism and booes this can lead to added pressure which can make it harder for a young qb to progress and develop
my main point is to say Lee should be criticized, but also be given credit for what he has done. quite frankly, jefferson hasn't done shite. and in the time JJ has played, he has been outplayed by Lee in when comparing apples to apples (same amount of time played)
than after a performance against ole miss which fails in comparison to what lee did against auburn and miss st some people are ready to crown him next years starter, and this is just unfair
it also adds undue pressure and a feeling of "i have to make a play and a perfect pass" when so many of his passes, especially some beautiful deep balls have not been caught
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 11/26/08 at 2:05 pm to TheDoc
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Is JLee ruined?
youre comparing lee to peyton manning now?
wow.
Can't you read? Look at the stats, not the qbs. At the same time, Ryan Leaf had better stats, too.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 2:07 pm to LSUfan4444
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but when perception leads to over criticism and booes this can lead to added pressure which can make it harder for a young qb to progress and develop
boo freaking hoo!
no one FORCED lee to sign with LSU as a QB.
he could have easily gone to north texas, or A&M, and not been under as much of a microscope.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 2:08 pm to LSUfan4444
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but when perception leads to over criticism and booes this can lead to added pressure which can make it harder for a young qb to progress and develop
again there is no bigger example of this than JR. You would have thought his int #s looked like Lee's with the amount of shite he caught even in his final year.
I've mainly wanted JJ to be getting signifant reps not because I think he's better than Lee is right now, but because I'd like for him to at least have a taste of the SEC going into next season.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 2:09 pm to rpg37
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Can't you read?
yes, I can.
you said:
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but didn't Peyton Manning have a horrendous rookie season in the NFL? He was served to wolves that first season, too.
so you are comparing jarrett's first real season to peyton mannings rookie NFL season?
Posted on 11/26/08 at 2:15 pm to TheDoc
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no one FORCED lee to sign with LSU as a QB.
he could have easily gone to north texas, or A&M, and not been under as much of a microscope.
again...if you want to make a comparison, make a proper one. don't compare Lee and the criticisms he gets at LSU to qb's at north texas or a&m....compare them to the criticism he gets compared to the qb's at LSU. which is what i have a problem with
people like yourself have commented he should never again throwa pass for LSU when his numbers in the same amount of time are vastly better than the guy he is competing with
i have said lee should be criticized numerous times in this thread, but i have also said, he should be given the same criticisms and praise as the ones who are with him now and came before him
praising JJ for something Lee did (and with better results) is hypcritical and makes for an uneasy fanbase. especially when one has proven he canproduce in pressure situations and another one hasn't
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