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re: Is JLee ruined?
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:49 am to LSUfan4444
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:49 am to LSUfan4444
also, fwiw
i remember a 4th and 9 against ASU when JR rolls to his left and throws a duck into double coverage off his left foot something like 30 yards downfield and early doucet makes a questionable catch and he is dubbed as having the "guts to make that throw" where flynn would have ran it and probably gained 8 yards and we would have lost
Lee does basically the same thing, except rolling to his right and throws off his right foot in a ball that if falls incomplete we still probably end up +3, and he is dubbed a talentless douchebag
i remember a 4th and 9 against ASU when JR rolls to his left and throws a duck into double coverage off his left foot something like 30 yards downfield and early doucet makes a questionable catch and he is dubbed as having the "guts to make that throw" where flynn would have ran it and probably gained 8 yards and we would have lost
Lee does basically the same thing, except rolling to his right and throws off his right foot in a ball that if falls incomplete we still probably end up +3, and he is dubbed a talentless douchebag
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 9:50 am
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Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:49 am to Prominentwon
i would hope that JL would have more heart, integrity, and competive spirit than that.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:49 am to Maximus
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he absolutely refuses to run with the ball
This I agree with but I don't think he's immobile.
Jamarcus refused to run the ball as well until '06.
I can't imagine that JR is faster than Lee, cause JR was slow as hell.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:50 am to LSUfan4444
If you wanna compare McCoy, look to his sophomore campaign.
(18 pics.)
I'll tell you what, I don't know that we're having this conversation right now if the defense stepped up. LSU football SHOULD be built around the defense. We have senior defensive lineman and a very promising, though young secondary.
I maintain that if we had the defense ready to go as they should we would only have to score 10-15 points a game and that hasn't been the problem now has it? We had 500 yards of offense against Georgia......and lost. Even if Lee throws a couple of pic 6s (which by the way, how do they always get returned when it's not like they're just picking off out routes) then we're still RIGHT in these games.
Teams can overcome poor QB play with defense and they can overcome poor defense play with great QB play (Big 12) but not both.
(18 pics.)
I'll tell you what, I don't know that we're having this conversation right now if the defense stepped up. LSU football SHOULD be built around the defense. We have senior defensive lineman and a very promising, though young secondary.
I maintain that if we had the defense ready to go as they should we would only have to score 10-15 points a game and that hasn't been the problem now has it? We had 500 yards of offense against Georgia......and lost. Even if Lee throws a couple of pic 6s (which by the way, how do they always get returned when it's not like they're just picking off out routes) then we're still RIGHT in these games.
Teams can overcome poor QB play with defense and they can overcome poor defense play with great QB play (Big 12) but not both.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:50 am to Towelie
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JR was slow as hell.
and still is
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:50 am to Maximus
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Yes, Colt McCoy set an NCAA TD record for freshman, not a NCAA career TD for the other team record as a freshman.
...and you also have to look at the talent that was around him. If I remember correctly, Texas had one of it's best OL's in history of the program.
As a Soph, he loses basically that whole line and he turns out a average season.
A QB is only as successful as the guys around him and vice versa. To ask a RS freshman that hasn't taken first string snaps until the spring of the same year is pretty difficult.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:55 am to LSUfan4444
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i remember a 4th and 9 against ASU when JR rolls to his left and throws a duck into double coverage off his left foot something like 30 yards downfield and early doucet makes a questionable catch and he is dubbed as having the "guts to make that throw" where flynn would have ran it and probably gained 8 yards and we would have lost
Lee does basically the same thing, except rolling to his right and throws off his right foot in a ball that if falls incomplete we still probably end up +3, and he is dubbed a talentless douchebag
Otto. Be careful . The Miles Haters will not stand for any hint of criticism of Russell. He was recruited by Lord and savior Saban. Lee was recruited by Miles,therefore he sucks.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:56 am to OldIowaTiger
OldIowa calm down....
If you had stayed a little longer you would have realized that Les's house didn't really get egged. That was a bad joke that came out after the bama game were the story ends with something along the lines of "J. Lee is a suspect becuase a lot of the eggs didn't even hit the house" or some shite like that. Even though I like Lee I had to laugh at it the 1st time I heard it.
If you had stayed a little longer you would have realized that Les's house didn't really get egged. That was a bad joke that came out after the bama game were the story ends with something along the lines of "J. Lee is a suspect becuase a lot of the eggs didn't even hit the house" or some shite like that. Even though I like Lee I had to laugh at it the 1st time I heard it.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 9:58 am to Prominentwon
until the play calling changes i dont care if brees is the qb we wont win and you can expect more int.also the defense has been as big a problem this year as qb.we scored 20+ points in every game but the last one and with the defense on the past that would have been plenty enough to win all the games thus far execpt maybe fla.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:00 am to I-59 Tiger
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I'll tell you what, I don't know that we're having this conversation right now if the defense stepped up
+1000. the poor defensive play forced lee in to situations he should have never been in the first place. When will Les Miles realize that Big 12 football belongs in the Big 12 not the SEC.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:02 am to MRTigerFan
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MRTigerFan
My friend: I left because it's a "So did you hear Coach ____________'s house got egged and their QB ____________ is the prime suspect" joke that comes out every time any team in this country has a QB that struggles.
I left because
A: It's a dumb joke. I'd get a giggle if I hadn't heard it 24 times in 3 different states and if it wasn't my team.
B: It was the final straw in her bashing of LSU and all sorts of shite that was not based in any sort of football knowledge.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:04 am to Prominentwon
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be that as it may, that could also be contributed to the fact that he's still learning and not seeing the things he should probably see.
it could also be the same reason he doesn't even attempt to get within the same camera frame as whoever is returning his INT for a TD. He's deathly afraid of contact.
I think it was the Bama game, where he could've walked for a first down but at the last second he saw a defender coming so he freaked and threw a rainbow pass 5 yards past a running back and we had to punt. It was pretty bad.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:06 am to Prominentwon
I'd like to sound off....
For anyone who would like the official number...here it is...Jefferson's only 20 SEC attempts vs. J-Lee's first SEC game vs. Auburn, and yes, I do believe it is an accurate barometer because you look at who Lee played before the Auburn game, it was App State and North Texas, a 1-AA and a NOBODY, so basically he had no big game experience, just like Jefferson. So here goes...
Lee vs. Auburn 11-22, 182 yds., 50.0 %, 2 tds, 1 int, QB rating of 140.40
Jefferson vs. Ole Miss
10-20, 129 yds, 50.0 %, 1 td, 1 int, QB rating of 110.68.
Not to mention, it's a pretty even playing field to play on, being that Lee only threw it 22 times in that game, as Jefferson threw it 20 against Ole Miss.
Numbers don't lie, in their 1st SEC game, Jarrett Lee outplayed Jordan Jefferson, and looked fearless doing it. In the "first conference game" argument, J-Lee reigns superior.
For anyone who would like the official number...here it is...Jefferson's only 20 SEC attempts vs. J-Lee's first SEC game vs. Auburn, and yes, I do believe it is an accurate barometer because you look at who Lee played before the Auburn game, it was App State and North Texas, a 1-AA and a NOBODY, so basically he had no big game experience, just like Jefferson. So here goes...
Lee vs. Auburn 11-22, 182 yds., 50.0 %, 2 tds, 1 int, QB rating of 140.40
Jefferson vs. Ole Miss
10-20, 129 yds, 50.0 %, 1 td, 1 int, QB rating of 110.68.
Not to mention, it's a pretty even playing field to play on, being that Lee only threw it 22 times in that game, as Jefferson threw it 20 against Ole Miss.
Numbers don't lie, in their 1st SEC game, Jarrett Lee outplayed Jordan Jefferson, and looked fearless doing it. In the "first conference game" argument, J-Lee reigns superior.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:06 am to Prominentwon
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...and you also have to look at the talent that was around him. If I remember correctly, Texas had one of it's best OL's in history of the program.
As a Soph, he loses basically that whole line and he turns out a average season.
A QB is only as successful as the guys around him and vice versa
is Lee not surrounded by a good offense? I only see one hole on that O.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:08 am to tigerhack
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until the play calling changes i dont care if brees is the qb we wont win
I think the play calling excuse is overblown. Some people think that Crowton just sucks as an offensive coordinator. I don't think that's the case at all. The offense will eventually be fine. What I think it is, is that he's going into the game with play-calling like he doesn't have a limited RS freshman QB behind center.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:09 am to IAmTheHatOnMilesHead
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IAmTheHatOnMilesHead
JJ has thrown 27 passes on the season i think...take it even further and look at their first 27/30 passes
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:11 am to IAmTheHatOnMilesHead
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I'd like to sound off....
For anyone who would like the official number...here it is...Jefferson's only 20 SEC attempts vs. J-Lee's first SEC game vs. Auburn, and yes, I do believe it is an accurate barometer because you look at who Lee played before the Auburn game, it was App State and North Texas, a 1-AA and a NOBODY, so basically he had no big game experience, just like Jefferson. So here goes...
Lee vs. Auburn 11-22, 182 yds., 50.0 %, 2 tds, 1 int, QB rating of 140.40
Jefferson vs. Ole Miss
10-20, 129 yds, 50.0 %, 1 td, 1 int, QB rating of 110.68.
Not to mention, it's a pretty even playing field to play on, being that Lee only threw it 22 times in that game, as Jefferson threw it 20 against Ole Miss.
Numbers don't lie, in their 1st SEC game, Jarrett Lee outplayed Jordan Jefferson, and looked fearless doing it. In the "first conference game" argument, J-Lee reigns superior.
what a horrible argument.
Lee had a ton more snaps in practice with the first team. He had seen substantial live game action that Jefferson hadn't. He had an extra year in the system. And still, their numbers are nearly identical.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:11 am to Prominentwon
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I think the play calling excuse is overblown. Some people think that Crowton just sucks as an offensive coordinator. I
dude has his hands tied.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:13 am to MFV
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the poor defensive play forced lee in to situations he should have never been in the first place.
Again, this is something you can look at from 2 different angles. You can't deny that the QB play hasn't had an effect on the entire team.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:15 am to Elleshoe
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their numbers are nearly identical.
wrong
through their first 27/28 passes
Jefferson
11-27, 40.7 %, 134 TOTAL passing yards, 1 td, 1 int
Lee
16-28, 57.1%, 200 TOTAL passing yards, 2 td, 1 int
now i know, i know, i know....Jefferson had his against SEC defenses...okay, so lets look at those for Lee
Lee against Auburn was 11-22 for 182 yards with 2td's and 1 int....against Mississipi State he was 18-27 for 261 yards with 2 td's and 1 int
Lee was thrust into basically the same situation against Auburn as JJ was against Ole Miss, but against a better defense and performed MUCH better
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