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re: Is JLee ruined?
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:10 pm to diamondtiger
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:10 pm to diamondtiger
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Stafford played that way as a true frosh and Lee is a redshirt frosh that has gone through two fall camps, summer 7 on 7 and conditioning, and a full spring
JJ has gotten more practice snaps of significance at this point of the season than Lee had all of last year, including another month of pratcices for the BCS title game. Alluding to the fact that lee was mixing it up with Rp, Flynn and the other 1st and 2nd teamers last year with great regularity is simply off base.
He did have more experience than Stafford when the season started, but by mid season it was probably a wash. Any way you anto to twist it, Lee has had a better, MUCH BETTER, freshman season than what Stafford did.
he threw twice as many td's, do you think hetook twice as many snaps in practice? Why is everyone overvaluing what Lee did last year. he didn't even take 3rd team snaps, hatch did.
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Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:15 pm to TheDoc
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stafford isn't that great either...
i am not going to argue how good "that great" actually is...but stafford is a very good college qb (one of the 10 best) and will be drafted accordingly
Stafford put up a dreadful freshman season and turned into one of the best qb's in college football.
the opinion that lee sucks for what he did this season, after what he was thrown into and the unrealistic expectations of a whacked out fanbase with more pressure than what JJ has had to endure and what Stafford had to endure his freshman year is completely ridiculous
this is just getting started and has a long way to go, BUT THIS IS FACT
if you compare the career of Lee and run it paralell to that of Stafford and jefferson in terms of playing time and passes.....Lee has outplayed them both, combined
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:19 pm to LSUfan4444
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JJ has gotten more practice snaps of significance at this point of the season than Lee had all of last year
That has nothing to do with anything because Lee still sucks
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He did have more experience than Stafford when the season started, but by mid season it was probably a wash.
Lee also had the play book for an entire year and a spring practice splitting time as the number one qb under his belt. Frankly I don't care what Stafford did. If he played worse than Lee he sucked, but there was no qb who had as much potential as Stafford to give a shot to. Can you not comprehend this? UGA's other qbs had no potential to develop into good ones so they were stuck with Stafford.
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he threw twice as many td's
And set a record for pick sixes
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:21 pm to LSUfan4444
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Lee has outplayed them both, combined
Right now, today, Lee is not outplaying anyone and he needs to see the bench.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:24 pm to diamondtiger
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Right now, today, Lee is not outplaying anyone and he needs to see the bench.
especially since he is hurt.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:26 pm to diamondtiger
I would like to see Lee with a season under his belt and some recievers that believed in him, ran the routes everytime and sold out for every ball. And by the way catch one when it is thrown to them. Byrd stinks and shows terrible leadership for a senior. I saw him drop one of Jeffersons throws last week right in his hands and shrug it off. This season is done and I would like to see more of Lee and some younger talent at reciever and more of Ridley in the backfield. Get some momentum for 2009!
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:27 pm to diamondtiger
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That has nothing to do with anything because Lee still sucks
you are the one insinuating that Lee has just had oodles more significant practice time than JJ, which is completely false....so in that case it has everythign to do with everything. but i know how much you like to ignore things that may hurt your argument
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Lee also had the play book for an entire year and a spring practice splitting time as the number one qb under his belt.
wrong. last year the playbook was for flynn and rp, with hatch pulling up 3rd. this year the playbook is for hatch and lee. so, when lee came in against auburn and started against miss state, he probably had less time running the current playbook than what JJ had coming in against Ole Miss
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Frankly I don't care what Stafford did
i wouldn't either if it proved that what a qb does as a freshman has little to do with how he will develop.
i certaintly wouldn't care if i said lee sucked, and yet one of the best qb's in college football had a season worse than the one the guy i was ribbing on as a freshman
again, why acknowledge and give credit to things that hurt your argument. it is way more fun to ignore them and hope they go away
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If he played worse than Lee he sucked, but there was no qb who had as much potential as Stafford to give a shot to. Can you not comprehend this?
i have never once said JJ should not have gotten any snaps and was a proponant of him splitting some time with Lee even when Lee was healthy.
but thinking that JJ is the only qb who has the ability to develop is ridiculous. the guy who has had such a shitty season, has had a better season than JJ through the same point
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:30 pm to diamondtiger
why do people keep trying to compare lee's body of work throughout the season to JJ's 27 pass largely meaningless attempts?
this comparison doesn't work for anything.
this comparison doesn't work for anything.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:32 pm to LSUfan4444
are you saying that lee didn't do ANYTHING last year?
didn't take a PEAK at the playbook?
didn't take a PEAK at the playbook?
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:32 pm to LSUfan4444
I'm gonna bump my post because I really want to know if you guys think this is factor:
Unfortunately, I think Lee may be done at LSU. But I don't think its because Lee isn't tough enough, or that HE can't rebound, but I think the majority of the vocal and idiot FANS and possibly the players and coaches will never BELIEVE in him again. I don't think the problem is Lee, his psyche, or his ability, but the confidence of the people around him that is damaged beyond repair. As long as people continue to feel deflated everytime he steps on the field, he will never be able to show what he can do.
For that reason alone, the fact that he will never get a fair shake again at LSU, HE would be better off, and LSU will be worse off IMO, transferring and getting a fresh start where he won't have the same baggage, because I think he absolutely has the ability to bounce back personally if the situation is right.
Its unfortunate too, because I think if he just threw interceptions, and they weren't ridiculously returned for TDs 7 times, he wouldn't have the same stigma. That has made all the difference IMO.
Anyone else think that could be the biggest factor in Lee's ability to continue to develop.
Unfortunately, I think Lee may be done at LSU. But I don't think its because Lee isn't tough enough, or that HE can't rebound, but I think the majority of the vocal and idiot FANS and possibly the players and coaches will never BELIEVE in him again. I don't think the problem is Lee, his psyche, or his ability, but the confidence of the people around him that is damaged beyond repair. As long as people continue to feel deflated everytime he steps on the field, he will never be able to show what he can do.
For that reason alone, the fact that he will never get a fair shake again at LSU, HE would be better off, and LSU will be worse off IMO, transferring and getting a fresh start where he won't have the same baggage, because I think he absolutely has the ability to bounce back personally if the situation is right.
Its unfortunate too, because I think if he just threw interceptions, and they weren't ridiculously returned for TDs 7 times, he wouldn't have the same stigma. That has made all the difference IMO.
Anyone else think that could be the biggest factor in Lee's ability to continue to develop.
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:32 pm to Prominentwon
ruined? Maybe we'll never really know. Because if he does continue to struggle people will always say this is what ruined him.
To me it seems he just doesn't have the mental capacity to run Crowton's offense consistently. The only time he was truly successful was when we got behind, scrapped the game plan, and went into a hurry up type offense. Now maybe he's just young, but to me JJ is already way ahead of Lee in terms of decision making.
He may have been better off in a more traditional, simplified offense because he does have the physical tools for that.
To me it seems he just doesn't have the mental capacity to run Crowton's offense consistently. The only time he was truly successful was when we got behind, scrapped the game plan, and went into a hurry up type offense. Now maybe he's just young, but to me JJ is already way ahead of Lee in terms of decision making.
He may have been better off in a more traditional, simplified offense because he does have the physical tools for that.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:35 pm to BilJ
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ruined? Maybe we'll never really know. Because if he does continue to struggle people will always say this is what ruined him.
To me it seems he just doesn't have the mental capacity to run Crowton's offense consistently. The only time he was truly successful was when we got behind, scrapped the game plan, and went into a hurry up type offense. Now maybe he's just young, but to me JJ is already way ahead of Lee in terms of decision making.
He may have been better off in a more traditional, simplified offense because he does have the physical tools for that.
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I don't see how anyone can't tell that the team has quit on Lee.
which is sad, but shite.. he's the one throwing the INT's.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:35 pm to Tiger Voodoo
I kind of agree. While I think Lee (even though he cannot play due to injury) should be benched, it should be wide open during spring and if he beats out the other 4 he needs a clean slate but I don't think he'll get it.
If he does start, the coaches need to protect him and not ask him to do things he isn't good at so he can ease into the season.
If he does start, the coaches need to protect him and not ask him to do things he isn't good at so he can ease into the season.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:36 pm to TheDoc
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are you saying that lee didn't do ANYTHING last year?
didn't take a PEAK at the playbook?
no, not saying that at all. i am saying what he did is being LARGELY overstated.
i am saying that that when JJ went in against ole miss with almost an entire season and fall with this playbook practicing with these players is ALOT closer to the amount of experience Lee had going into auburn than what some people are alluding to.
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:40 pm to LSUfan4444
Lee had way more experience than Jefferson when he first played as opposed to when Jefferson first played. If you discount Lee's last fall because he was third string, you have to do the same for Jefferson, which still gives Lee all last spring, summer, and this fall. Any other assertion is pure spin.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:41 pm to LSUfan4444
it's really apples and oranges.
jefferson was a after thought this season realistically.
coachspeak said he would get a chance to play, but everyone knew if hatch and lee both stayed healthy, he would have still been on the bench after the miss st. game.
All LSU needed this season was another game manager. (not saying flynn was or wasn't)
jefferson was a after thought this season realistically.
coachspeak said he would get a chance to play, but everyone knew if hatch and lee both stayed healthy, he would have still been on the bench after the miss st. game.
All LSU needed this season was another game manager. (not saying flynn was or wasn't)
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:44 pm to diamondtiger
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Lee had way more experience than Jefferson when he first played as opposed to when Jefferson first played
myth
more, yes....but nowhere near what you are alluding to
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:46 pm to LSUfan4444
And what exact amount did I allude to?
Being in the system for a year should give you a big leg up on the competition. If Lee did not take advantage of that to separate himself, which he has not, then that speaks a lot about him.
Being in the system for a year should give you a big leg up on the competition. If Lee did not take advantage of that to separate himself, which he has not, then that speaks a lot about him.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:46 pm to TheDoc
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it's really apples and oranges.
jefferson was a after thought this season realistically
he was given a legit shot in fall to play for signifcant PT...Lee wasn't even looked at last year. the coaches also thought he would play more as the season progressed if he developed more in practice (which he never did). So, they decided to redshirt him. When hatch went down and they needed anotehr qb, they looked back to jefferson.
Fact is, jefferson was given every opportunity to be the starting qb from day and got practice time accordingly. Lee's first practice snaps of any significane came last spring.....only about 5 months before JJ arrived, then JJ's playing time as "the qb" came 2 months after Lee's
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:49 pm to LSUfan4444
I would expect a HS qb to not make some of the throws Lee has continued to make and I'm not just talking about the pick 6s.
The OT throw against Bama was simply inexcusable.
The OT throw against Bama was simply inexcusable.
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