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re: It will be great when Orgeron proves the haters wrong.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 6:31 am to TigerLunatik
Posted on 6/18/18 at 6:31 am to TigerLunatik
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:33 am to Bayou
Here's my last ditch effort at a rational conversation with you.
This is the second time the point was made that there were other qualified coaches to hire and you went straight to Fisher. How come he's the only one you're bringing up in your argument? I imagine there is a reason, just wondering what it is.
I'm confused as to why one coach deserves more than one year to prove himself and the other does not. I may be misunderstanding your view here and if so, my bad.
I think we can all agree that Coach Orgeron was a long shot ad a hire. My question would be that if you were to invest in a long shot and didn't get your expected return on investment in that first year, would you start asking questions and evaluating what went wrong or would you just simplt say "let's wait and see what happens in another year?"
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There were dozens of more qualified coaches that could have been had if Alleva really wanted them.
Who? Fisher wanted way too much.
This is the second time the point was made that there were other qualified coaches to hire and you went straight to Fisher. How come he's the only one you're bringing up in your argument? I imagine there is a reason, just wondering what it is.
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You say it "may" blow up in A&M's face so your willing to wait and see and give them a chance. Might you consider giving the current LSU regime a chance as well? It "may not" blow up.
I'm confused as to why one coach deserves more than one year to prove himself and the other does not. I may be misunderstanding your view here and if so, my bad.
I think we can all agree that Coach Orgeron was a long shot ad a hire. My question would be that if you were to invest in a long shot and didn't get your expected return on investment in that first year, would you start asking questions and evaluating what went wrong or would you just simplt say "let's wait and see what happens in another year?"
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:42 am to nvasil1
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Of course not. Nothing wrong with expressing doubts about the current direction of the program either.
Understood. I have doubts too. But willing to give him a shot this year and support him in spirit. We will learn early on how things are going with Miami and Aubie in first three weeks.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:45 am to Bayou
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Who? Fisher wanted way too much.
We don't have an entire search firm at our disposal to inform us of interested coaches. We don't have contacts who know someone looking for a head coaching position, our AD does. We offered one person, then removed the offer and quickly hired the interim with no other candidates or searching in mind.
This was a decision made in haste. Something as critical as a fricking head football coaching hire should be thought out, planned, and researched for the best possible candidate. Alleva was petty and wanted people to think O was his only choice, good job Joe you sure showed them.
So, instead of promoting our best coach, we keep him at the coordinator level and promote the D-Line coach who had no coordinator experience and was an abysmal failure at his only head coaching stop. Poorly thought out hire. If we were going to promote from within, why not promote Aranda?
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 7:46 am
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:04 am to Chimlim
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If we were going to promote from within, why not promote Aranda?
If there’s a question that needs to be asked repeatedly on here, this is it.
It’s my mind-blowing how embarrassing this is.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:11 am to 00 Tech Grad
Why is one of the most profitable college football programs (LSU) that makes north of 30 million a year profit restricted to paying a salary that schools like Ole Miss, MSU, Vanderbilt, etc. pays their head coaches?
That is what bothers me. Ok, Nick Saban raised the bar on what good coaches get paid. Deal with it, and move on. In order to get a good coach with experience and a championship under his belt, you have to pay for it.
To expect to land a coach with all that on his resume and pay him 5 million a year tops, is completely unrealistic.
That is what bothers me. Ok, Nick Saban raised the bar on what good coaches get paid. Deal with it, and move on. In order to get a good coach with experience and a championship under his belt, you have to pay for it.
To expect to land a coach with all that on his resume and pay him 5 million a year tops, is completely unrealistic.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:11 am to eyeofthetiger3
O can prove the haters wrong by getting into the playoffs and pulling a top 3 recruiting class. Anything short of that and he can hit the fricking road.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:12 am to Canwoodtiger
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But willing to give him a shot this year and support him in spirit.
What does this even mean? Every one of us has to "give him a shot". I think Orgeron was a terrible hire and he is going to slowly kill our program, but I want LSU to win every single game regardless. Does that mean I'm supporting him in spirit?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:53 am to lsu2006
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What does this even mean? Every one of us has to "give him a shot". I think Orgeron was a terrible hire and he is going to slowly kill our program, but I want LSU to win every single game regardless. Does that mean I'm supporting him in spirit?
The fact you don't know what it means speaks volumes. It simply means regardless of how you feel about him as a person or professional HC you or anyone can at least pull for him to do the best he can as our HC and cheer on our Tigers. Regardless if you like it or not, he is our HC and his success is our success.
On these MBs you get the fringe element. It is all or nothing...no in between. Due to IMHO immaturity, personality defects or just losers (not calling you out specifically) trying to get cheap attention it is all to the extreme. Simply having doubts yet being neutral and at least wanting the HC to do well is not enough. Either you must love them or hate them..one extreme to the next. Amazing.
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 9:54 am
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:58 am to Canwoodtiger
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The fact you don't know what it means speaks volumes. It simply means regardless of how you feel about him as a person or professional HC you or anyone can at least pull for him to do the best he can as our HC and cheer on our Tigers. Regardless if you like it or not, he is our HC and his success is our success.
On these MBs you get the fringe element. It is all or nothing...no in between. Due to IMHO immaturity, personality defects or just losers (not calling you out specifically) trying to get cheap attention it is all to the extreme. Simply having doubts yet being neutral and at least wanting the HC to do well is not enough. Either you must love them or hate them..one extreme to the next. Amazing.
So, you're sitting there pissing on my leg, but by damn, if I don't agree with you that it's raining, it's my fault, huh?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:58 am to Canwoodtiger
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It simply means regardless of how you feel about him as a person or professional HC you or anyone can at least pull for him to do the best he can as our HC and cheer on our Tigers.
Why are you insinuating that people who question him or his hiring or don't have faith in him dont "cheer on our tigers"? This is my problem with your post. I can think Orgeron is a garbage coach while also wanting to be proven wrong and while also always pulling for the players and the team on the whole.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:00 am to RealityTiger
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Why is one of the most profitable college football programs (LSU) that makes north of 30 million a year profit restricted to paying a salary that schools like Ole Miss, MSU, Vanderbilt, etc. pays their head coaches? That is what bothers me. Ok, Nick Saban raised the bar on what good coaches get paid. Deal with it, and move on. In order to get a good coach with experience and a championship under his belt, you have to pay for it. To expect to land a coach with all that on his resume and pay him 5 million a year tops, is completely unrealistic.
Politics, perception outside of athletic world and the recent budget crisis. There are certain academic administrators (not all) who don't give a chiite about football or athletics and hate the fact the University is so heavily tied in with athletic success and profitability. Folks on BOS and who make business decisions at LSU don't think like the fans, nor should they. Leadership at TAF is more closely aligned with the fan base but even there money and politics comes into play.
There are other things than Football that LSU and its administration are concerned with. It is an institution of higher learning that has suffered extreme cut backs. Blame Bobby Jindal and his cartel and before that Blanco and her anti-LSU cronies in Lafayette more so than anyone.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:02 am to Canwoodtiger
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It simply means regardless of how you feel about him as a person or professional HC you or anyone can at least pull for him to do the best he can as our HC and cheer on our Tigers.
So, in your opinion who is not doing this?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:02 am to lsu2006
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Why are you insinuating that people who question him or his hiring or don't have faith in him dont "cheer on our tigers"? This is my problem with your post. I can think Orgeron is a garbage coach while also wanting to be proven wrong and while also always pulling for the players and the team on the whole.
That is not what I am saying. Your second statement is correct. You did not read my first post well. I agree you can hate on O all you want and think he is lower than pond scum or roadkill and still want him to do well. Others may disagree but you have the right to feel that way. Personally, I don't hate on him. I am just not sure if he is the best coach for the long term and see both pros and cons during his tenure as HC.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:03 am to Canwoodtiger
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Simply having doubts yet being neutral and at least wanting the HC to do well is not enough. Either you must love them or hate them..one extreme to the next. Amazing
I simply don't understand the mentality on this board. You have people here that are all in on negativity and refuse to accept that the coaches might be doing something to achieve their goals.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:04 am to bencoleman
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Not to mention the situation with Canada
I hope you are not giving O credit for handling this well.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:04 am to TigerLunatik
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So, in your opinion who is not doing this?
I am not calling out individuals and not anyone specifically. I re-read post and I thought I was pretty clear but reading comprehension is bad on her this morning LOL! (in general not necessarily yours). There is just a segment of the fan base so narrow-minded they rather we lose to be proven right for their own agenda.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:07 am to Canwoodtiger
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There is just a segment of the fan base so narrow-minded they rather we lose to be proven right for their own agenda.
I've been reading the board a lot since the season ended and I have seen literally one person say this. Granted, I don't even click on topics with personal attacks on Orgeron because it's just stupid IMO. But, I've only seen one person say it.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:08 am to Canwoodtiger
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There is just a segment of the fan base so narrow-minded they rather we lose to be proven right for their own agenda.
This is such a load of horseshite.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:14 am to TigerLunatik
by VooDude on 6/17/18 at 5:08 pm to OKTGR580
SE Louisiana. Hoping they come in and show Ed who’s boss, followed by the door
SE Louisiana. Hoping they come in and show Ed who’s boss, followed by the door
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