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re: Jarret Lee throwing off back foot
Posted on 6/21/10 at 9:04 am to Doc Fenton
Posted on 6/21/10 at 9:04 am to Doc Fenton
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He should have self-corrected this crap before he left HS.
guy played 2 yrs of organized football before he came to LSU.
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Posted on 6/21/10 at 9:10 am to TIGRLEE
Still.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 9:18 am to Doc Fenton
It amazes me people think a coach can be a miracle worker.
Tim Tebow has a bad throwing motion. some consider his coach to be one of the best in the country if not the best. However, ours is a dumbarse because he can't make j. lee into peyton manning.
Gary crowton was a college qb himself. he has coached at the college and pro level for close to 30 years. Yet, the attorney, plumber, car salesman, nurse ect. thinks they know more than him.
I believe G.C. know's j. lee throw's off his back foot. I believe he's coached him not to do it. However, it's a habit he may or may not be capable of breaking once the bullets are flying. (think about a person who can't stop drinking. a habit they even know they need to kick but can't., some of the people being critical should be able to relate to this analogy).
with all of that said. i do hope j. lee can progress. He's my favorite player on the team. Any kid who has the character to endure what he has and not throw in the towel is a special kid. I hope he see's a reward for his efforts. he deserves it.
Tim Tebow has a bad throwing motion. some consider his coach to be one of the best in the country if not the best. However, ours is a dumbarse because he can't make j. lee into peyton manning.
Gary crowton was a college qb himself. he has coached at the college and pro level for close to 30 years. Yet, the attorney, plumber, car salesman, nurse ect. thinks they know more than him.
I believe G.C. know's j. lee throw's off his back foot. I believe he's coached him not to do it. However, it's a habit he may or may not be capable of breaking once the bullets are flying. (think about a person who can't stop drinking. a habit they even know they need to kick but can't., some of the people being critical should be able to relate to this analogy).
with all of that said. i do hope j. lee can progress. He's my favorite player on the team. Any kid who has the character to endure what he has and not throw in the towel is a special kid. I hope he see's a reward for his efforts. he deserves it.
This post was edited on 6/21/10 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 6/21/10 at 9:20 am to dos crystal
quote:
I believe G.C. know's j. lee throw's off his back foot. I believe he's coached him not to do it. However, it's a habit he may or may not be capable of breaking once the bullets are flying. (think about a person who can't stop drinking. a habit they even know they need to kick but can't., some of the people being critical should be able to relate to this analogy).
Posted on 6/21/10 at 9:21 am to dos crystal
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Gary crowton was a college qb himself. he has coached at the college and pro level for close to 30 years. Yet, the attorney, plumber, car salesman, nurse ect. thinks they know more than him.
I like logical posts.
As Ive said a bunch of times on here, we have alot of "fans" that professionally missed their call in life.
This post was edited on 6/21/10 at 9:22 am
Posted on 6/21/10 at 9:37 am to Doc Fenton
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What does G2 mean?
Something many posters don't seem to have-(military) intelligence!
Posted on 6/21/10 at 10:14 am to dos crystal
quote:Good grief. The problem is not the fact that GC can't "teach" Lee to not throw off of his back foot, it's that GC keeps putting Lee into positions where he's not comfortable, calling the wrong plays and formations, which put pressure on Lee, who then gets rattled and makes the mistakes. Half the battle of being a good coach is knowing what your players can and cannot do, and not putting them in positions to fail. This is Crowton's failure and his legacy at LSU. I don't care how many 'years of experience' he has, if he can't see beyond himself and his little whiteboard with plays drawn up on it, then he's a failure as an OC. Get your fricking arse out of the booth Gary, get on the field and actually watch your damn players and quit being the Wizard with your goddam Sharpie pen and whiteboard, and actually evaluate your players abilities and coach them up.
I believe G.C. know's j. lee throw's off his back foot. I believe he's coached him not to do it. However, it's a habit he may or may not be capable of breaking once the bullets are flying. (
Posted on 6/21/10 at 10:36 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:perfect evaluation IMO. That's been my main problem with GC here at LSU, he hasn't adjusted his game plan to suit the the abilities of our QB's. As an OC you would think he could see what type of plays a QB runs more comfortably than others and he would adjust his game plan to suit the leader of the offense
Good grief. The problem is not the fact that GC can't "teach" Lee to not throw off of his back foot, it's that GC keeps putting Lee into positions where he's not comfortable, calling the wrong plays and formations, which put pressure on Lee, who then gets rattled and makes the mistakes. Half the battle of being a good coach is knowing what your players can and cannot do, and not putting them in positions to fail. This is Crowton's failure and his legacy at LSU. I don't care how many 'years of experience' he has, if he can't see beyond himself and his little whiteboard with plays drawn up on it, then he's a failure as an OC. Get your fricking arse out of the booth Gary, get on the field and actually watch your damn players and quit being the Wizard with your goddam Sharpie pen and whiteboard, and actually evaluate your players abilities and coach them up.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 10:50 am to TruLsu
Yeah sometimes the coaches can't see the forest for the trees. Like last year when everyone in the stadium knew we could not run the option to the short side of the field but we continued to do it all year.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 10:52 am to Tiger Roux
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Yeah sometimes the coaches can't see the forest for the trees. Like last year when everyone in the stadium knew we could not run the option to the short side of the field but we continued to do it all year.
or when shep was in the game as a runningback
everyone knew what was going on
Posted on 6/21/10 at 12:07 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
Good grief. The problem is not the fact that GC can't "teach" Lee to not throw off of his back foot, it's that GC keeps putting Lee into positions where he's not comfortable, calling the wrong plays and formations, which put pressure on Lee, who then gets rattled and makes the mistakes. Half the battle of being a good coach is knowing what your players can and cannot do, and not putting them in positions to fail. This is Crowton's failure and his legacy at LSU. I don't care how many 'years of experience' he has, if he can't see beyond himself and his little whiteboard with plays drawn up on it, then he's a failure as an OC. Get your fricking arse out of the booth Gary, get on the field and actually watch your damn players and quit being the Wizard with your goddam Sharpie pen and whiteboard, and actually evaluate your players abilities and coach them up.
Nope, He can put players in positions to use their strengths. He can score 40 pts a game. he's proven it. The problem, and most either choose not to accept or to ignorant to believe, there is only so much a coach can do if there is a deficiency of talent at multiple positions.
Last year, crowton had to call an offense that had maybe the worst o-line in conference, he did not have a full back, and he had a first year starter at qb who isn't capable of throwing the deep ball accurately. He had a running back that was big and strong but lack the speed to the outside. he had another running back that was fast but not the size to run inside. He did have a quality goup of wr's. However, what plays do you call if your line can't block, your qb either doesn't have the time or is indecisive (due to lack of experience), doesn't have great ability on the deep ball, and a running game that doesn't have a full back or limited due to your running back lacking speed or size?
In lee's case, he throw's a nice deep ball but has an accuracy problem on short passes. He's also not very mobile to escape pressure. which leads to him either getting sacked, throwing balls he shouldn't, or throwing off his back foot. If he is limited to the deep ball due to ability, what do you think the defense is going to do? pressure the qb. so, you really can't say, don't throw short passes. (slants, dinks and dump balls to the running back)
lastly, the o.p. was about j.l. throwing off his back foot.
This post was edited on 6/21/10 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 6/21/10 at 1:52 pm to Doc Fenton
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In any case, I think this is the key to getting Lee to improve. A-holes act like everybody knows this already, and I suppose everyone should, but you would be surprised at how many people obstinately refuse to see that this is his only real problem. I tried to talk about this about a year ago and other posters said I didn't know what I was talking about because pro scouts said he had great throwing mechanics.
Thanks, Doc. There are always multiple factors involved in a QB and OC's situation, but throwing off the back foot is a fundamental thing that all should agree is bad
This post was edited on 6/21/10 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 6/21/10 at 2:39 pm to therocketscientist
while you are at it, why did he lift his head/neck both at the line of scrimmage and on the side lines.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 2:54 pm to TheDoc
can u still believe he didnt throw 1 fking pass?! 
Posted on 6/21/10 at 3:06 pm to therocketscientist
Unfortunately football is not a static sport. Search the web, and see how many NFL stars have to throw off their back feet sometimes when there is a heavy rush coming.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 4:01 pm to therocketscientist
quote:
Jarrett Lee MUST BE GIVEN DEDICATED instruction on learning to NOT throw off his back feet. Sure, sometimes he steps into it and shows awesome mechanics, but TOO often, he reverts to poor foot stance on his throws.
If he can fix this and gain confidence, the sky is the limit with his arm and quick release.
Improvements like this require the presence and tutelage of a quality QB coach.
We don't have one.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 4:05 pm to dos crystal
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Gary crowton was a college qb himself. he has coached at the college and pro level for close to 30 years.
Crowton has a consistently had the reputation of being an awful QB coach. This is why his offenses go from white hot to crap in a few years.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 4:07 pm to dos crystal
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Nope, He can put players in positions to use their strengths. He can score 40 pts a game. he's proven it.
Right, with an already developed 5th year senior who had already locked down basic mechanics and could read defenses.
Do you think it is some random coincidence that our two young QBs have regressed in the last two years?
We need to get a QB coach as fast as possible.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 4:07 pm to Antonio Moss
Crowton's problem is not just predictable plays with certain personnel packages, its his inability to adjust schemes to team strengths too. Sounds like a very stubborn coach to me or a very dumb one. Take your pick.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 4:09 pm to dos crystal
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Last year, crowton had to call an offense that had maybe the worst o-line in conference, he did not have a full back, and he had a first year starter at qb who isn't capable of throwing the deep ball accurately.
So why did he consistently call plays that took three to four seconds to develop without a drop off route?
Look how many balls were caught by TEs and RBs last year.
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