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re: Jarrett Lee (man-crush alert)
Posted on 10/12/11 at 12:37 pm to TIGRLEE
Posted on 10/12/11 at 12:37 pm to TIGRLEE
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What has JLEE done in the last 6 games that leads you to belive that he still isnt "very good"?
I'm curious.
Please explain.
I'm not sure I'm in the mood for another knockdown drag out fight about Jarrett Lee. I don't need to be spending my afternoon responding to you, Roger, Col. and the rest.
Lee is doing what we ask. He's operating the offense. He's made some nice throws. I'm happy for him. LSU is winning. That's all I care.
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Posted on 10/12/11 at 12:44 pm to OBUDan
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I'm not sure I'm in the mood for another knockdown drag out fight about Jarrett Lee
nor am I.
However you said you still dont think he is a very good qb.
He's thrown for 9-10 tds, 1-2 ints through 6 games vs top 25 competition.
We move the ball, get first downs... very little 3 and outs.
He avges around 150/game in the air.
We don't have many pre-snap frick ups or confusion.
He doesn't get rattled.
Other offensive players are in the right spots.
He picks up pressure packages.
He throws a good deep ball.
He puts the ball the vast majority of the time whereas only his guy can catch it.
He is a team player.
He is a leader.
He is tough.
He is experienced.
His teamates respect him.
He's got the attitude ALL LSU fans should want and demand from their sr starting qb.
But in you eyes he's still not a "very good qb"
I dont fricking understand.
Please help me.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 12:45 pm to The Mick
quote:
Lets be honest, Flynn was no dynamo in college
Flynn was not a slouch and I would take him in a heartbeat on this team right now.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 12:46 pm to OBUDan
quote:I think JLee has a stronger arm than Flynn. Definitely faster release. That 3rd down throw to RR in the Bama game last year... I'm not saying Flynn couldn't make that throw, but it wouldn't have been as laser-like. Just my recollection.
I think his arm strength is exaggerated. I mean, he doesn't have a noodle, but his arm is weaker than Flynn, who also didn't have a good arm.
btw, thanks for being a somewhat good sport on my bumpage, OBUDan.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 12:46 pm to TIGRLEE
quote:
nor am I.
Liar....
Posted on 10/12/11 at 12:48 pm to The Gooch
dont make me e-slap your face.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 12:51 pm to TIGRLEE
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dont make me e-slap your face.
whatever......Posted on 10/12/11 at 12:53 pm to The Gooch
I thought you were trying to make a funny.
Apparently not.
Apparently not.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 12:55 pm to clamdip
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btw, thanks for being a somewhat good sport on my bumpage, OBUDan.
Lee is playing well. Here's to his continued success.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 1:09 pm to TIGRLEE
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He's thrown for 9-10 tds, 1-2 ints through 6 games vs top 25 competition.
Protecting the ball has been great, I agree.
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We move the ball, get first downs... very little 3 and outs.
Statistically, we move it about as well as we did last year... but...
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We don't have many pre-snap frick ups or confusion.
We eliminated that, turnovers and multi-penalties, so we're more efficient.
I think a lot of that can be credited to the new offensive brain trust.
But I do like the pace Lee keeps with the huddle.
quote:
He avges around 150/game in the air.
That's really nothing to call home about. JJ was crucified for posting better numbers than that in 09.
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He doesn't get rattled.
He's still quite prone to panic when the blitz comes and release the ball early (but he did make a good throw with pressure in his face against Florida).
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He throws a good deep ball.
He puts the ball the vast majority of the time whereas only his guy can catch it.
I would disagree with both of those things.
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He is a team player.
He is a leader.
He is tough.
He is experienced.
His teamates respect him.
He's got the attitude ALL LSU fans should want and demand from their sr starting qb.
Agree totally.
I admire Lee for his tenacity and for sticking it out.
I think people became bloodhounds after the early games last year, and fiercely turned on JJ in favor of just about anything. (just like they did to Lee in 2008)
Lee is playing this year, much like JJ did in 2009 statistically, but with a good running game and people are praising him endlessly for it.
But when Jefferson did it in 09, it was always "we need more production from the passing game."
I think he's a good operator of the offense, and really that's all we need.
His best ability is the short passing game, due to his quick release.
This post was edited on 10/12/11 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 10/12/11 at 1:20 pm to OBUDan
quote:
The sooner you realize he's not good, the closer you'll be to reality
Posted on 10/12/11 at 1:20 pm to OBUDan
Again, 8-1, says it all.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 1:21 pm to OBUDan
quote:
That's really nothing to call home about. JJ was crucified for posting better numbers than that in 09
Oh boy. How many sacks? Scoring offense rank?
Posted on 10/12/11 at 1:27 pm to Commando
I think the thing you guys are missing is the thing that JJ could never give the offense, except for 2 games, that was the threat of the deep ball.
Defenses can no longer stack the box to stop the run because JL will make them pay. That cannot be over valued.
Defenses can no longer stack the box to stop the run because JL will make them pay. That cannot be over valued.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 1:28 pm to inebr8ted tiger
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I think the thing you guys are missing is the thing that JJ could never give the offense, except for 2 games, that was the threat of the deep ball.
Defenses can no longer stack the box to stop the run because JL will make them pay. That cannot be over valued.
I think thats exactly what we're saying
Posted on 10/12/11 at 1:29 pm to Commando
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Oh boy. How many sacks? Scoring offense rank?
Different system and no running game in 09.
But yeah, JJ did take quite a few sacks that year, you are right.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 1:30 pm to inebr8ted tiger
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I think the thing you guys are missing is the thing that JJ could never give the offense, except for 2 games, that was the threat of the deep ball.
Over the last 6 games of last season, JJ had a better deep ball completion percentage than Sam Bradford the year he won the Heisman.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 1:30 pm to NicoBlues
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I think thats exactly what we're saying
Sorry, I don't mean you, I mean the folks that think JL's performance thus far is not that grand.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 1:34 pm to OBUDan
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Different system and no running game in 09.
But yeah, JJ did take quite a few sacks that year, you are right.
The reason we had no running game is because we had no passing game. The 2 aspects are dependent are each other.
LSU ran the ball pretty effectively considering there were 8 guys in the box on every play. The problem was, more times than not, we didn't make them pay for stacking the LOS.
Secondly, JJ only threw like 6 deep balls. Landry Jones is in a different scheme where they live off the short passing game. Hell they throw it 50 times a game.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 1:48 pm to inebr8ted tiger
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The reason we had no running game is because we had no passing game.
We had a run game last year, and a far worse passing game than we did in 09.
We flat out couldn't run block in 09. We went from Chuck the Tank, bowling over people in '08 to getting stuffed at the LOS repeatedly.
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Secondly, JJ only threw like 6 deep balls. Landry Jones is in a different scheme where they live off the short passing game. Hell they throw it 50 times a game.
Ok, I pulled up the article.
Over the final 4 games of last season he attempted 39 throws of 11+ yards, completed 17 of them for 490 yards. That's 12.6 yards per attempt on throws of 11+ yards.
It was better than Bradford, Clausen or Colt McCoy.
From the article:
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In other words, Jefferson was producing yards on long passes during that time at a truly elite rate, which certainly contradicts his reputation as a quarterback who cannot excel in the downfield passing game.
This post was edited on 10/12/11 at 1:49 pm
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