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re: Jarrett Lee
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:37 pm to just me
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:37 pm to just me
quote:
quote:
I am beginning to become a little embarrassed at this f'd up fanbase.
Dude, look at yourself.
Start there.
Your sophomoric retort has no grounds. Nothing I have said is f'ked up, zippy.
Great thing about reality, it trumps these sassy little us vs them debates. Season is 5 weeks away.
Now prove your previous accusation
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Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:41 pm to bighead7
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JL threw the ball 35 times against the #1 team in the country and took them to overtime
Do you know what intellectual dishonesty is?
He threw 34 times against Alabama. What you left out is that he only completed 13 of these pass. He completed another 3 to the Alabama secondary.
On the flip side, LSU had 202 yards rushing against Alabama that day (the #2 defense in the country).
Guess how many times LSU rushed for over 200 yards in 2009? Once . . . .against Tulane. Just a reminder, we played ULL, Vandy, La Tech, and Washington last season.
Another awesome statistic. We rushed for 202 yards against Alabama in 2008. We rushed for 201 yards against Florida, Alabama, and Ole Miss combined in 2009.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:43 pm to bighead7
quote:
JL threw the ball 35 times against the #1 team in the country and took them to overtime, JJ has only been asked to throw the ball maybe 12-15 times a game....After JL the coaching staff either learned or didn't trust JJ enough to throw the ball at least 20 times per game and became very predictable...(113th rnaked offense)Until JJ can take the ball down the field on a consistant basis and score I would rather throw a pick 6 and win by 14 than run the ball the whole game and finish with worst offense in the SEC
What??? Lee's stats against Bama in 2008:
13 - 34 (Yeah, he threw it over 30+ times, but we didn't get many completions, did we?)
1 TD, 4 Ints. (including the one that basically ended it in overtime)
We were in that game despite Lee.
When LSU played Bama late this year, Jefferson was the first QB of the season to throw a TD against them in the first half and LSU went in at half with the lead. He got hurt on LSU's first possession of the 2nd half and had aleady thrown it 17 times. JJ played much better against Bama and they won it all this year.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:53 pm to TIsuGGER
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Who has more losses as LSU's starting QB?
Jefferson, with 5.
Uh...yeah. Jefferson's started more games. He's 9-5 while Lee is 5-4.
So Jefferson is still the bigger winner with a better winning %. Also, JJ has a Peach Bowl MVP trophy. That win at Georgia was nice since we hadn't won there in 22 years.
Lee's signature W was over an Auburn team that finished 5-7. However, it was a great win and he played a great game after starting bad. That was our first win there in a while so I still think it was a big win. Auburn just didn't prove to be as good as usual by the end of the season.
This post was edited on 7/27/10 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 7/27/10 at 4:59 pm to PiscesTiger
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Well, hello JJ.
Ha...otherwise known as "common sense"
At least you didn't say I was inaccurate.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 5:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:So you're saying you've never bashed LSU players? Who was it that agreed that LSU players "quit" on plays so that other teams scored?quote:Your sophomoric retort has no grounds. Nothing I have said is f'ked up, zippy.quote:Dude, look at yourself.
I am beginning to become a little embarrassed at this f'd up fanbase.
quote:Of course, it's already been demonstrated in this thread that for most of those plays, the LSU players never had a chance to make a tackle, let alone that they "quit" on the play.quote:Lets not ruin these fools fantasy. Fiction is preferable to truth for many.
Those 7 pick sixes were returned for a total of 301 yards.
Let that sink in. A lot of people quit on those plays for that to happen.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 5:03 pm to Antonio Moss
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He threw 34 times against Alabama. What you left out is that he only completed 13 of these pass. He completed another 3 to the Alabama secondary.
since we are discussing alabama I think its appropriate to mention the fact that we were down by 7 late in the 4th qrt and JL led drive that tied the game with THREE 3rd and long pass completions.
And there is no
quote:in the above paragraph.
intellectual dishonesty
This post was edited on 7/27/10 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 7/27/10 at 5:04 pm to Antonio Moss
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We rushed for 202 yards against Alabama in 2008. We rushed for 201 yards against Florida, Alabama, and Ole Miss combined in 2009.
imagine if LSU had a run game in 2009?
Posted on 7/27/10 at 5:05 pm to Antonio Moss
13-34 is just terrible...
Posted on 7/27/10 at 5:07 pm to TheDoc
1 for like 30 in a spring game is pretty shitty as well. 
(as a junior) I should add.
(as a junior) I should add.
This post was edited on 7/27/10 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 7/27/10 at 5:10 pm to just me
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So you're saying you've never bashed LSU players? Who was it that agreed that LSU players "quit" on plays so that other teams scored?
Desperation is unbecoming. I never said the players "quit" on JJ. As a matter of fact, I am on record here of saying they didn't.
Your reading comp skills need enhancement.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 5:19 pm to TIGRLEE
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since we are discussing alabama I think its appropriate to mention the fact that we were down by 7 late in the 4th qrt and JL led drive that tied the game with THREE 3rd and long pass completions.
Actually, I believe there was only one third down pass on that drive. But he did have two other passes on 2nd down that went for nice pickups and 1st downs.
quote:
1 for like 30 in a spring game is pretty shitty as well.
(as a junior) I should add.
That is true. Fortunately though, it doesn't count against your record. That's the good thing about practice. It's much better to suck in practice than in the real game. However, should Jefferson have a game or two like that, then Lee should get his chance to see what he can do. Otherwise, why have him on the roster?
Posted on 7/27/10 at 5:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:You're questioning my reading comprehension skills? Damn, son. Do you really think that the rest of the posters are that stupid? Posters can read. They can read what you posted and what I quoted.
Desperation is unbecoming. I never said the players "quit" on JJ. As a matter of fact, I am on record here of saying they didn't.
Your reading comp skills need enhancement.
You made a fricked up post. You agreed that LSU players "quit" on interceptions thrown by Lee.
This is YOUR POST agreeing with TIsuGGER):
quote:Yeah, that is you agreeing that LSU players quit on Lee's interceptions. That is fricked up. It's not true. They never even had a chance on most of those plays.quote:Lets not ruin these fools fantasy. Fiction is preferable to truth for many.
Those 7 pick sixes were returned for a total of 301 yards.
Let that sink in. A lot of people quit on those plays for that to happen.
quote:And you question my reading comprehension?
Your reading comp skills need enhancement.
Dude, look in the mirror.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 5:23 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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Actually, I believe there was only one third down pass on that drive. But he did have two other passes on 2nd down that went for nice pickups and 1st downs.
3rd and 11 at LSU 25 Jarrett Lee pass complete to Terrance Toliver for 13 yards to the LSU 38 for a 1ST down.
2nd and 9 at LSU 39 Jarrett Lee pass complete to Terrance Toliver for 10 yards to the LSU 49 for a 1ST down.
2nd and 8 at ALA 49 Jarrett Lee pass complete to Brandon LaFell for 24 yards to the Alab 25 for a 1ST down.
2nd and 13 at ALA 17 Jarrett Lee pass complete to Terrance Toliver for 11 yards to the Alab 6.
You are right. I am wrong.
Impressive drive led by JL in a intense to say the least time in TS if you will all remember.
This post was edited on 7/27/10 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 7/27/10 at 5:25 pm to just me
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Yeah, that is you agreeing that LSU players quit on Lee's interceptions. That is fricked up. It's not true. They never even had a chance on most of those plays.
In those pick sixes, more players than Lee had the opportunity to make a play. If you don't understand that, I doubt anything will convince you. You seem to be very narrow minded in your bias.
Both QB's will get significant PT this year, most issues with both are fixable. I blame the staff, not the QB's.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 5:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:You agreed with his statements that LSU players "quit" on the play when they could have stopped other teams from scoring touchdowns, and you apparently continue to defend his statement even after this in-depth analysis.
In those pick sixes, more players than Lee had the opportunity to make a play. If you don't understand that, I doubt anything will convince you.
quote:You just go ahead and continue to ignore the facts you don't like and create the facts you do like. That way, you'll always be right in your little mind.
Interception #1:
Gabe McKenzie, Auburn. The interception was on a swing pass at mid-field. No one touched McKenzie in the 24 yards on the way to the endzone. Can't blame the rest of the offense on that one.
Interception #2:
Brandon Spike, Florida. The interception was thrown underneath on what looks to be a slant route. McKenize picked and scampered 52 yards untouched to the endzone. Can't blame the rest of the offense on that one.
Interception #3:
Daryl Gamble, Georgia. Much like Spikes, Gamble intercepted the ball underneath the coverage and ran 40 yards untouched for a TD. Can't blame the rest of the offense on that one.
Interception #4:
Daryl Gamble, Georgia. Pretty poorly under-thrown ball. Gamble cuts underneath the route and scampers untouched for 53 yards and a score. Can't blame the rest of the offense on that one.
Interception #5:
Travis Burks, Tulane. This is a deeper ball, but it's thrown underneath all the routes (another magnificent play call by Mr. Wizard running everyone deep with no drop off route.) Again, the defender runs 43 yards untouched into the endzone. You can't blame that on the rest of the offense, but you can toss some blame on Crowton's incredible inept play calling.)
Interception #6:
Rashad Johnson, Alabama. Much like the Tulane interception, this ball was thrown about 15 yards in the middle of the field. Most the receivers were past the point of interception. However, Johnson had to make a few people miss and Lafell chased him down inside the five right before Johnson scored. Total yardage was 53. First LSU contact came after about 40 yards. We'll say some of that is on the offense.
Interception #7
Terrance Moore, Troy. 22 yard return for touchdown. I can't find video of it anywhere on the internet and I don't really remember what happened. So will give Lee the benefit of the doubt and say the offense could/should have tackled him.
So of the seven interceptions returned for touchdowns, five them occurred in such a manner that no offensive player could have even laid a hand on the defender. Plus, these five account for 212 of the 287 return yards.
On these interceptions, no one even touched the defensive player. You really can't blame the rest of the offense for that.
quote:Ohhhhhhh, I'm the one with a bias. Again, you just go ahead and continue to ignore the facts you don't like and create the facts you do like. That way, you'll always be right in your little mind.
You seem to be very narrow minded in your bias.
I hope you won't be too offended if I add you to the list of people who are unwilling to honestly analyze the facts. It's for your own good.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 5:45 pm to just me
I hope you won't be too offended if I add you to the list of people who are unwilling to honestly analyze the facts. It's for your own good.
Gomer, I don't think anyone on this board cares about what you think, or your metrosexual "lists." You are blatantly wrong, yet refuse to admit it.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 5:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Wow! You really nailed me with that 10-year old "metrosexual" zinger. Ouch. What will your next zinger be? You gonna call ne a disco lover?
Gomer, I don't think anyone on this board cares about what you think, or your metrosexual "lists."
quote:And there it is. Capitulation. You have nothing left to offer. I know that you will never expressly admit that you are wrong.
You are blatantly wrong, yet refuse to admit it.
This will do, son. This will do.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 5:50 pm to just me
IMHO JL gives the Tigers a better chance to win. I watched the 2008 Auburn game a couple of weeks ago and he had an awesome second half. On course I'm old school and like to have 2 QBs play unless you have some one like this guy around
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