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re: Jefferson is Seriously Limited.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:13 pm to bee Rye
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:13 pm to bee Rye
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ok, i will acknowledge that. I will also acknowledge the fact that this is not the norm for JJ, and rather an anomoly. if you go back and watch the game, you will see that on MOST of the passing plays, he locked in one 1 reciever, and did not check down if he wass covered, instead, he either left Shep up in the air to get shallacked, or tucked the ball and akwardly ran for 2 yards. you can point to that ONE play all you like, but it still doesn't make JJ any better than he was last year
I've already posted multiple throws that JJ looked good on. I'm not doing it again. Stick your head in the sand and act like he didn't improve all you want. If we don't fumble the ball to open the 3rd qtr we're singing a completely different tune today.
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Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:14 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
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sketchy...
i was trying to think of who to put ahead of them.. certainly not ole miss/miss st. maybe georgia? how is their front 7 this year?
point is they'd be an upper-middle SEC front 7 even with starters out. i wouldn't mind seeing the saints pick up sturdivant.. what a beast
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:15 pm to tirebiter
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I agree with you dude, at one point Randle had about a 5-yard cushion on the defender, JJ sees him too late, and underthrew Randle, that's the only reason the DB was on him at the end. JJ should have let it fly two seconds earlier. It was a TD, great, but the pass was certainly not on time. Hard to quibble about a TD, but it's not like JJ was locked in a zone all game throwing darts.
The DB was not "on him" really. JJ was initially thinking about throwing to his right, scanned the field, saw RR, stepped up in the pocket and threw it. He got hit right when he released it and it went about 55-yards in the air. He did a good job. That's probably about as far as he can throw it.
For those complaining about that pass, that's like complaining about banging a supermodel at the Playboy mansion, but then saying that she wasn't quite the one you had in mind the next day.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:16 pm to tigadog
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feel he has reached his potential already, what you see is what you get and all you will ever get. This has led to a watered down offensive philosophy to fit his abilities. I am not awaiting his coming out party, I feel as though he has shown his best already and this is what we will have to deal with for the remainder of his eligibility
Thank God we didn't say this about JR after his sophomore year.
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:16 pm to lsuoilengr
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he did, his name was zach lee and he went pro in baseball. get a clue people
Miles should have recruited a second QB last year. Chances that a QB that throws a 92 MPH fastball will go baseball were high. Miles missed up.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:17 pm to LSUMafia
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JJ is still making freshman mistakes at times, and Lee should get a fair shot, but he won't with Crowton and Miles as coaches. They simply won't put him in a real spot unless forced to by injury.
Why do you think that is? JJ doesn't even have seniority over JL?
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:18 pm to TigerWilson88
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Thank God we didn't say this about JR after his sophomore year.
they did.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:20 pm to tigadog
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I feel he has reached his potential already, what you see is what you get and all you will ever get.
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this is what we will have to deal with for the remainder of his eligibility.
Agree. He is what he is.
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This has led to a watered down offensive philosophy to fit his abilities.
Disagree. The offense that he is running does little to augment what skills he does have. LSU seems to have too many slow developing plays which require precision timing and execution which is where he is a little challenged. He seems to do better in the quick hitting and low risk passing plays. This is not their course 100% of the time therefore the offense always looks out of rhythm.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:42 pm to bee Rye
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quote:he knew that. he was calling you a dumbarse for denying the obvious.
then why would he highlight Lafell? I don't think he knew that
To be fair and because my Momma raised an honest man; I did not look at the link originally so he was correct.
But now I am doing this...
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he was calling you a dumbarse for denying the obvious.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:46 pm to Bloodworth
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I feel he has reached his potential already, what you see is what you get and all you will ever get.
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this is what we will have to deal with for the remainder of his eligibility.
Agree. He is what he is.
unfortunately yep....
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:48 pm to Big EZ Tiger
quote:Really, when RR has to slow significantly for the ball the DB is not contacting him at that point? RR still maintains a 3-5 yard cushion? I don't know what some of you guys watch. As I said, a TD is a TD, the primary point is he should have seen him wide open a lot earlier and let if fly, not at the last second.
The DB was not "on him" really.
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:50 pm to TigerFan55555
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unfortunately yep....
Yet you continue to scream for Lee when he hasn't gotten any better in 3 years either.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:56 pm to MightyYat
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Yet you continue to scream for Lee when he hasn't gotten any better in 3 years either
and how would you know you havent seen him this year...
quit trying to play the middle, pick a side and fight!...lol
im out...headin home....
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 3:02 pm to TigerFan55555
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and how would you know you havent seen him this year...
quit trying to play the middle, pick a side and fight!...lol
im out...headin home....
Last year was his 3rd year in the system and he was no better against Bama or Tech.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 3:26 pm to MightyYat
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Last year was his 3rd year in the system and he was no better against Bama or Tech.
5 quarters vs 14-15 starts.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
oh yeah
Posted on 9/7/10 at 3:26 pm to tirebiter
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Really, when RR has to slow significantly for the ball the DB is not contacting him at that point? RR still maintains a 3-5 yard cushion? I don't know what some of you guys watch. As I said, a TD is a TD, the primary point is he should have seen him wide open a lot earlier and let if fly, not at the last second.
The DB trailed the whole way. He reached a hand to RR's back when he makes the catch and put the hand one would use to defend the ball up after RR already caught the ball. You may be right that he could have hit him when he was a little more open, but he was looking at WRs on the right first. So it wasn't like he looked at RR the whole time and just threw it late.
I don't think there was a great slowing down of RR either. The AP, Sports Illustrated, Glenn "$hit stirring" Guilbeau, etc. all had articles stating that JJ hit RR "in stride"... So I think the adjustment was very slight. Another 12 inches are so on the throw would have probably made it perfect though.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 3:36 pm to Tiger Ryno
Some of you guys are rushing to judgment and placing blame on Jefferson for the errors of the offensive coordinator and it is obvious that some of you geniuses are absolutely biased against him.
I mean considering the offensive line we had last year and the offensive coordinator we are stuck with thanks to Less Miles, JJ actually did pretty well last year for a first year starter, and it is way too early to make judgments regarding his play this year. Indeed, if I had to judge him based on one game, then considering the play calling I'd have to give him a B, because he connected on over 70 percent of his passes, with 2 touchdowns and a beautiful 51 yarder. However, he did cost us 3 points on an intentional grounding call, but then again that was partially the fault of the offensive coordinator for making that stupid play call.
I mean considering the offensive line we had last year and the offensive coordinator we are stuck with thanks to Less Miles, JJ actually did pretty well last year for a first year starter, and it is way too early to make judgments regarding his play this year. Indeed, if I had to judge him based on one game, then considering the play calling I'd have to give him a B, because he connected on over 70 percent of his passes, with 2 touchdowns and a beautiful 51 yarder. However, he did cost us 3 points on an intentional grounding call, but then again that was partially the fault of the offensive coordinator for making that stupid play call.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 3:40 pm to BT
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5 quarters vs 14-15 starts.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
And the pick 6 in the Spring Game.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 3:43 pm to Tiger Ryno
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150 passing yards against 2nd and 3rd teamsers is horrendous no matter what league you are in. It is what it is.
Yep...that was JJ's fault alright.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 3:52 pm to Big EZ Tiger
My whole point was to let Lee have some real time and see what he's got in real situations and not mop up duty. Hell it worked for Randall at times in 2004 to just sit back a few series and then come in the game. Also can help JJ see it from a different perspective.
Lee throws a better ball and has a quicker release than JJ. Most of Lee's INTs came on forced/obvious plays (like stupid screens that the defense knew was coming) and throwing off his back foot. I'd think the kid deserves some chance to redeem himself, but I doubt Miles/Crowton will change anything.
They proved with Ridley they are hitched to specific guys in this and aren't going to pull them. I think the same thing is going on with JJ. They are hitching the wagon to him outside of injury.
Lee throws a better ball and has a quicker release than JJ. Most of Lee's INTs came on forced/obvious plays (like stupid screens that the defense knew was coming) and throwing off his back foot. I'd think the kid deserves some chance to redeem himself, but I doubt Miles/Crowton will change anything.
They proved with Ridley they are hitched to specific guys in this and aren't going to pull them. I think the same thing is going on with JJ. They are hitching the wagon to him outside of injury.
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