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re: Jefferson vs. Lee Inside the Numbers *Updated*
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:45 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:45 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
I honestly think Miles is now starting JJ just to be stubborn. Again, I don't really care as long as the QB who plays is effective and we will most likely see both. But I think Les is giving those fans who booed a collective frick you.
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Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:45 pm to OBUDan
numbers be damned. anyone who has ever watched football could obviously see who was a better LEADER for this team last saturday. we have talent all over the field. we needed a leader and we finally have one. now we have to utilize every piece of the puzzle and put some points on the board. we're not playing the bottom have of the conference anymore. no more "lets see what jj can do." we've seen his act and its not working. we all know lee should start because with him we look and play like a more well rounded and effective team.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:45 pm to Ebbandflow
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You also wont see a one-play scoring drive often. Dont know why you, supposed objective presenter of facts, would begin to wonder around in theoretical land.
sigh.
I'm not going to go over this AGAIN.
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I never said it did either. I'm just trying to add the actual human eye for detail to an otherwise misleading robotic spewing of stats. I think Lee needs to start but I'm aware that Jefferson can do positive things.
JJ's presence spreads the D out on runs for sure. The problem is that he cannot put together scoring drives often enough.
Well then you and I totally agree, so I'm not sure why we're arguing?
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As an aside, you should check out the rushing numbers for the LSU offense VS Vandy when Lee was in vs JJ. Do the avg per play for rushing and tell me what you think. Results will be better under Lee overall, more of the time.
Well, using a three play sample would be pretty poor.
But I'll tell you what, I'll run these same numbers next week and report the results whatever they are. And I hope Ridley gets 400 yards with Lee in there. And JJ throws for 500.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:45 pm to hpeair2
half*
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:47 pm to CptBengal
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CptBengal
Why are you so ardent to knight for one guy and down the other?
The only people wildly supporting one particular player in this thread are wide-eyed Lee apologists...
Everyone else has acknowledged Lee needs to play... but so does JJ.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:48 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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It's a little bit different when Lee has only played half of a game...and in his less than one start he has 206 passing yards to JJ's 449. Thats a little sad man. JJ has just not performed and has taken no blame for anything. He just says we're 4-0, or i played well(after the tennessee game). His attitude of not needing to improve worries me more than his poor performance
I don't disagree. Somehow I've been interpreted as this thread being my argument for why JJ needs to be the starter, but that's really not what I've been saying at all.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:48 pm to Baloo
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I can't believe a person honestly believes this. He got flagged for delay of game, and then couldn't get a play in, and then called timeout. It wasn't like the team was at the line and ready to go and he saw a new wrinkle. It was chaos.
Lee desrves a lot of credit for the final drive, but he absolutely wasted our final timeout AFTER A DELAY OF GAME. It was a dreadful mistake.
EVERYBODY, ITS THE frickING COACHES. THEY MADE ALL OF THOSE TERRIBLE DECISIONS AND FAILED TO DEVELOP EITHER QB!
LSU WILL SUCK NO MATTER THE QB AS LONG AS LES MILES IS THE COACH!
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:49 pm to CptBengal
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I got a better one. If we parse out JJ's passing performance from UT over 5 games we get:
15 of 60
150 yards
0 tds
10 ints
Now that is a joke.
Yes, but if you do the same for both their passing and rushing stats (because a QB can do EITHER), JJ would still have 1 TD and JL would have 0. Ha...
JL should get most of the snaps, but all this stuff is getting ridiculous.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:50 pm to OBUDan
All I know is with Jefferson in the last series instead of Lee we would have lost that game. Those stats are so misleading. 3 for 10 with 30 yards and two picks is the only Jefferson stats I need to know.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:50 pm to cwill
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LSU WILL SUCK NO MATTER THE QB AS LONG AS LES MILES IS THE COACH!
that sums it up. but lee still gives us a better shot in the big games
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:51 pm to cwill
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cwill
So you're saying a QB is never responsible for watching the playclock???
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:51 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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but all this stuff is getting ridiculous.
Yeah, this got way out of hand.
Bottom line, I was looking at the numbers. I see the JJ is starting thread and everyone saying he's worthless, he does nothing.
I thought it was interesting and my point was only that both bring something to the table and that's why we're playing both of them.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:51 pm to OBUDan
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Everyone else has acknowledged Lee needs to play... but so does JJ.
Because JJ runs? We have better runners than JJ to run the option.
What he brings to the table is not as good as what others bring to the table.
Make no mistake, I am not hating on JJ. I am hating on Miles for continually putting someone in a position where they can't succeed. That is not the hallmark of a coach.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:51 pm to smoke3208
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All I know is with Jefferson in the last series instead of Lee we would have lost that game. Those stats are so misleading. 3 for 10 with 30 yards and two picks is the only Jefferson stats I need to know.
And with Lee in on the first play and not Jefferson LSU doesn't win the game.
Works both ways...
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:52 pm to OBUDan
I mean I agree we cant just throw JJ under the bus just yet and solely rely on JL, he hasnt proven himself that much, but I do think he deserves to get the start. Both should get PT, but imo 65 to 70 percent of the snaps should go to JL after both of their performances last week
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:54 pm to CptBengal
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CptBengal
You have an obvious agenda.
It's fine, but it's in your avatar for everyone to see. Your only intent this thread is to proclaim how Jarrett Lee should start and it's completely fricking stupid for anything else to happen.
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Make no mistake, I am not hating on JJ.
You've ragged on him for 13 pages now.
I don't know how else to say it.
Can you throw Shep and Ware back there and let them take snaps and run the ball? Sure.
Does that mean they know how to OPERATE a running game? No.
Jefferson does. And he's capable enough with the ball in his hands.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:54 pm to c on z
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So you're saying a QB is never responsible for watching the playclock???
What I'm saying is - neither QB has developed. Miles and Co. are notoriously slow in gettin plays in. Miles has fricked clock management up on numerous occasions. So while a QB has some responsibility - I think the head coach bears most of the responsibility. Miles has an undisciplined, confused team - a direct reflections of a terrible coach.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:55 pm to OBUDan
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And with Lee in on the first play and not Jefferson LSU doesn't win the game.
Can I borrow your alternate universe scenario runner?
Because we have no idea what happens if Lee starts the entire game. Why do you automatically assume that there is a 0% chance of LSU scoring with Lee in on the first drive?
The point that you're unwilling to admit is that the 83 yard run is an outlier. It's the type of play that is such a fluke it's never going to happen again. Plays like that happen once in a career for people like JJ.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:56 pm to OBUDan
Also sorry if I'm getting testy, but Mckinley's band has been practicing non-stop for 2 hours and I'm on the verge of homocide
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:56 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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Both should get PT, but imo 65 to 70 percent of the snaps should go to JL after both of their performances last week
And I think they will.
Actually, I think it will depend on game situation.
If we jump out to a quick lead (say 14-0).I can see JJ playing the majority in effort to run the ball most efficiently and eat clock.
But who knows. I think we'll end up seeing a lot. We'll need JL to make plays with his arm. We'll need JJ to make plays with his feet. It doesn't really matter who starts when both people play.
People knew all week both would play and now throw a fit when they find out JJ gets the first series? Why? It's one series. So what?
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