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re: Jefferson vs. Lee Inside the Numbers *Updated*
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:57 pm to Powerman
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:57 pm to Powerman
quote:
Can I borrow your alternate universe scenario runner?
Because we have no idea what happens if Lee starts the entire game. Why do you automatically assume that there is a 0% chance of LSU scoring with Lee in on the first drive?
The point that you're unwilling to admit is that the 83 yard run is an outlier. It's the type of play that is such a fluke it's never going to happen again. Plays like that happen once in a career for people like JJ.
Powerman, is Jay Cutler still the best QB in the NFL?
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Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:57 pm to Powerman
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Why do you automatically assume that there is a 0% chance of LSU scoring with Lee in on the first drive?
WHy do you and others automatically assume there's a 0% chance of LSU scoring on the last drive with JJ?
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:57 pm to OBUDan
To me those stats show JLee should start. Throw out yards by any other player than the QB. Those are the yards they are responsible for. Production head to head by that player. JJ threw for 30 yards and had a once in a lifetime 80 plus yard run that will never happen again. Put Lee in the rest of the year and watch how we discover our receiving corps again.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:58 pm to OBUDan
Its more of a respect thing than anything. JL deserves it, JJ's attitude and performance have been dreadful
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:58 pm to Powerman
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The point that you're unwilling to admit is that the 83 yard run is an outlier. It's the type of play that is such a fluke it's never going to happen again. Plays like that happen once in a career for people like JJ.
No,I've admitted that at least 5 times in this thread alone.
What you are unwilling to admit is that a 16 play drive that was bungled even before the master bungling is also an outlier.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:59 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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SCLSUMuddogs
I agree.
Part of the reason I want Lee to play more is that he brought energy and attitude to the game. JJ's attitude hasn't seemed superb this year (though I hate judging body language etc.).
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:00 pm to peopleschamp
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Lee in the rest of the year and watch how we discover our receiving corps again.
Let's say, hypothetically, these numbers continue.
Do you want to rediscover our receiving corps at the risk of losing our best, most consistent offensive player (Ridley)?
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:06 pm to CptBengal
Stupid argument: when Lee was in, LSU moved the effectively enough through the air
We didn't need to run!!! So we didn't!
Compare Lee vs Jefferson with only Passing yards
What was lee's yards per play (passing only) vs Jefferson's yards per play (passing only)...
Jeffersons 83 yard run skewed your numbers and makes an invalid argument as far as qb effeiciency is concerned..
We didn't need to run!!! So we didn't!
Compare Lee vs Jefferson with only Passing yards
What was lee's yards per play (passing only) vs Jefferson's yards per play (passing only)...
Jeffersons 83 yard run skewed your numbers and makes an invalid argument as far as qb effeiciency is concerned..
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:06 pm to OBUDan
if you are going to continue witht he ridley being a better rb with JJ could you include the vandy game and other instances with JJ at QB handing off to ridley? This would be a little more fair I believe, considering how few carries he had with each vs tenn. As I recall ridley had a 65 yd run with JL at qb vs vandy
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:08 pm to Powerman
quote:
The point that you're unwilling to admit is that the 83 yard run is an outlier. It's the type of play that is such a fluke it's never going to happen again. Plays like that happen once in a career for people like JJ.
Actually, since it's the longest run by a QB in LSU history, plays like that don't even happen once for people that play QB for LSU. But I see what you're trying to say. Still, it did happen...
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:10 pm to Robbytiger
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We didn't need to run!!! So we didn't!
We needed to run to get it in the end zone.
There is no doubt though that we moved the ball better through the air with JL at QB.
This post was edited on 10/6/10 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:13 pm to Robbytiger
quote:If you take out both QB's biggest plays, Jefferson still has more yards per play than Lee.
Stupid argument: when Lee was in, LSU moved the effectively enough through the air
We didn't need to run!!! So we didn't!
Compare Lee vs Jefferson with only Passing yards
What was lee's yards per play (passing only) vs Jefferson's yards per play (passing only)...
Jeffersons 83 yard run skewed your numbers and makes an invalid argument as far as qb effeiciency is concerned..
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:15 pm to Robbytiger
quote:
We didn't need to run!!! So we didn't!
We ran it just as much, but less effectively.
quote:
Jeffersons 83 yard run skewed your numbers and makes an invalid argument as far as qb effeiciency is concerned..
Why do his rush yards not count?
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:19 pm to OBUDan
Speaking of that long run, did we ever see that play again in the game? Or that same play with us handing it to Shep instead? I don't remember it if we did.
Also, I would have loved to seen the reaction of the rare person that bet on Tennessee straight up and thought they had won...and then the reaction a few minutes later.
Also, I would have loved to seen the reaction of the rare person that bet on Tennessee straight up and thought they had won...and then the reaction a few minutes later.
This post was edited on 10/6/10 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:19 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
quote:
if you are going to continue witht he ridley being a better rb with JJ could you include the vandy game and other instances with JJ at QB handing off to ridley? This would be a little more fair I believe, considering how few carries he had with each vs tenn. As I recall ridley had a 65 yd run with JL at qb vs vandy
Ridley got a 65 yard with Lee at QB, yes.
Let's see what happens going forward.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:20 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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Speaking of that long run, did we ever see that again in the game? Or that same play with us handing it to Shep instead? I don't remember it if we did.
We ran some variants of it. I think we ran the exact play one more time for a few yards.
Once we ran a really nice option play where Shep jab stepped inside like he was taking the handoff and then went out on an option with JJ. JJ pitched, ended up as about a 9 yard gain. Nice play.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:23 pm to OBUDan
Yeah, that was good. I remember that one.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:35 pm to Big EZ Tiger
After skimming over this thread I have surmised that Powerman is the only poster (in this thread) that possesses any knowledge of statistics.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:41 pm to OBUDan
Interesting.
JJ is pretty adept at running the read option. That most likely accounts for it. JJ is better at running the read option than JL is at throwing the ball. When JJ hands the ball off, LB's have to still account for Jefferson. . .it freezes them sometimes. When Lee was in, they were relatively confident he was no threat to run.
At this point, though, I am willing to make that trade off. Lee needs to be the guy, and JJ should play the change of pace guy (ala Tebow to Leak or Taylor to that white guy at Va Tech years back).
I will refrain from the praise that many on here are heaping upon Lee. He is about to play an away game in a very hostile place, against a REALLY good defense. He plays like he did against UTk (not stats, actual throws/decisions), and nobody will want him behind center again.
JJ is pretty adept at running the read option. That most likely accounts for it. JJ is better at running the read option than JL is at throwing the ball. When JJ hands the ball off, LB's have to still account for Jefferson. . .it freezes them sometimes. When Lee was in, they were relatively confident he was no threat to run.
At this point, though, I am willing to make that trade off. Lee needs to be the guy, and JJ should play the change of pace guy (ala Tebow to Leak or Taylor to that white guy at Va Tech years back).
I will refrain from the praise that many on here are heaping upon Lee. He is about to play an away game in a very hostile place, against a REALLY good defense. He plays like he did against UTk (not stats, actual throws/decisions), and nobody will want him behind center again.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:43 pm to OBUDan
Has anyone already asked how you dealt with the plays where the drive stalled for JJ and Lee came in on 3rd and impossible and was asked to try to throw the ball to convert?
I'm pretty sure Lee came in on a 3rd and 22, a 3rd and 9, and maybe a 3rd and goal from about the 9, if I remember right.
That's three snaps Lee ate trying to bail out a drive that was pretty much dead on Jefferson's watch.
I'm pretty sure Lee came in on a 3rd and 22, a 3rd and 9, and maybe a 3rd and goal from about the 9, if I remember right.
That's three snaps Lee ate trying to bail out a drive that was pretty much dead on Jefferson's watch.
This post was edited on 10/6/10 at 5:44 pm
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