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Posted on 8/11/08 at 10:20 am to HITMAN202
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The "fists" issue? Ask around.
unless you have a source, i don't believe making shite like that up is smiled upon on here
Posted on 8/11/08 at 10:22 am to HITMAN202
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Whatever he does, he will have no patience at all to see a guy "develop."
KW was the starter and #1 back to end 2006
he is developed
Posted on 8/11/08 at 10:27 am to SlowFlowPro
dude, he's a project. He needs to develop into at least 10 yards a carry before the rant can be happy.
Posted on 8/11/08 at 10:52 am to Maximus
naw k-dub just needs to sacrifice gaining extra yards by not making DBs miss so he can lower his shoulder and make the DB get JACKED. UP. !!!!!!
Posted on 8/11/08 at 10:52 am to Maximus
Your agenda is individual based.
The coaches' agendae are team based.
When you cannot enjoy the team's success because an individual is not more successful than another, to the point of calling for "big game fumbles being due" from certain players, you have the issues.
And that is your right. You don't have to be anti-Keiland Williams to be pro-team.
I'm not one to think coaches are above criticism, I've done my fair share. I would think, based upon the play on Saturdays only, that KW would get more PT, but I have to assume there is a legitimate reason he is not.
Or I could assume a conspiracy. Even go as far as to think it is due to his skin color, and nothing to do with football. They would call me a ranter.
The coaches' agendae are team based.
When you cannot enjoy the team's success because an individual is not more successful than another, to the point of calling for "big game fumbles being due" from certain players, you have the issues.
And that is your right. You don't have to be anti-Keiland Williams to be pro-team.
I'm not one to think coaches are above criticism, I've done my fair share. I would think, based upon the play on Saturdays only, that KW would get more PT, but I have to assume there is a legitimate reason he is not.
Or I could assume a conspiracy. Even go as far as to think it is due to his skin color, and nothing to do with football. They would call me a ranter.
Posted on 8/11/08 at 10:55 am to wahoocs
How is this terrible, terrible thread still going?
Posted on 8/11/08 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
I don't have a problem with the sarcasm, but where is the elusiveness of which you speak?
Outright speed, no doubt. But out of 100 carries, how many DB's had an angle on him and missed?
The Auburn TD reception = 1.
I don't say this to minimize KW's assets to the team. I just think you're misleading in your statement of facts.
Outright speed, no doubt. But out of 100 carries, how many DB's had an angle on him and missed?
The Auburn TD reception = 1.
I don't say this to minimize KW's assets to the team. I just think you're misleading in your statement of facts.
Posted on 8/11/08 at 11:06 am to wahoocs
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but where is the elusiveness of which you speak?
See: UT 2006, Arky 2006, VT 2007 (twice), AU 2007, etc
i can post youtube clips of most of these runs if you want
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But out of 100 carries, how many DB's had an angle on him and missed?
DBs take bad angles b/c of his speed and his vision (he takes GREAT angles usually). just re-watch the AU screen TD again, especially the last DB. KW slows down and it completely fricks up the DBs angle and KW scores easily
it was beautiful to watch
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I just think you're misleading in your statement of facts.
you don't have to juke to make defenders miss. in fact that's a bad way to do it if you have NFL aspirations (see: Reggie Bush). how many times did DMac juke our DBs? rarely. how many times did he burn us? plenty
This post was edited on 8/11/08 at 11:07 am
Posted on 8/11/08 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Here's where I would leave it... we have 3 great runningbacks, but Keiland will be drafted the highest out of all 3 (barring injury) for a reason.
Posted on 8/11/08 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
If 2006 would have never happened, KW would not be such a mystery. The fact that he had successful games in '06 vs. UT, Ark, ND, etc. led many to believe that he would be the Tb and Hester would be the Fb in '07. That never happened and I suppose we're okay because of it, being that we won a NC.
What I'd like to know is how is KW going to get more carries in '08 when he's sharing time with three other non-senior RB's?
What I'd like to know is how is KW going to get more carries in '08 when he's sharing time with three other non-senior RB's?
This post was edited on 8/11/08 at 11:11 am
Posted on 8/11/08 at 11:11 am to Stagg8
if scott can go cecil on teams like he did to UK and run under 4.55 (while weighing over 225), he could theoretically go higher
see: jon stewart/mendenhall v slaton/charles (although KW should be at least 10 lbs bigger than either)
see: jon stewart/mendenhall v slaton/charles (although KW should be at least 10 lbs bigger than either)
Posted on 8/11/08 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
If we're talking NFL draft, Scott will be a higher pick than Williams. That's a no-brainer. A 230 pound hybrid back (hopefully) with soft hands? NFL's wet dream.
Posted on 8/11/08 at 11:14 am to PiscesTiger
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What I'd like to know is how is KW going to get more carries in '08 when he's sharing time with three other non-senior RB's?
well trindon...he's a gimmick player who shouldn't cut into carries very much for many reasons (size, fumbling, etc)
KW is going to definitely share carries with Scott, and i don't think many will argue with that
Scott should eliminate a lot of the ridley carries. you don't need to give a lot of carries to 2 big backs when your primary big back gets plenty of rest with his co-starter getting plenty of carries. ridley gets the mop up scott carries
murphy doesn't do anything better than keiland from what we've seen, so i think he's KW's backup
KW and Scott should get a ton of carries...like 75% of the total RB carries
Posted on 8/11/08 at 11:15 am to PiscesTiger
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If we're talking NFL draft, Scott will be a higher pick than Williams. That's a no-brainer.
Posted on 8/11/08 at 11:15 am to SlowFlowPro
I agree with you on almost all of your points.
I can appreciate the fear that his speed puts in the mind of defenders and coordinators, much like Trindon, except he can take the hits, unlike Trindon.
I guess a better way to put it is, when a defender makes contact, you can mark the ball down over ninety percent of the time.
He is a home run threat. But, in a ball control situation, where the D is having problems getting the stops, and needs a break, or there's 9:00 minutes left in the game and your trailing against a great offensive team, the home run threat isn't always your best option.
I can appreciate the fear that his speed puts in the mind of defenders and coordinators, much like Trindon, except he can take the hits, unlike Trindon.
I guess a better way to put it is, when a defender makes contact, you can mark the ball down over ninety percent of the time.
He is a home run threat. But, in a ball control situation, where the D is having problems getting the stops, and needs a break, or there's 9:00 minutes left in the game and your trailing against a great offensive team, the home run threat isn't always your best option.
Posted on 8/11/08 at 11:16 am to PiscesTiger
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A 230 pound hybrid back (hopefully) with soft hands? NFL's wet dream.
if he can run like mendenhall/stewart and not like mo clarrett? sure. i mean just look at cory boyd for a head scratcher of a big back who can catch like a badass who fell the frick off the face of the draft planet
it is entirely believable to think KW may run a sub-4.35 at 220 or so. chris johnson fron ECU got drafted in the mid-1st solely b/c of his bowl game, return ability, and blinding speed
assuming beanie wells and knowshawn go top 15, it will be interesting to see KW v Scott's positions in the top 50
Posted on 8/11/08 at 11:19 am to wahoocs
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when a defender makes contact, you can mark the ball down over ninety percent of the time.
i'd put it much lower based off his 2006 season
and KW often keeps defenders from making contact if he can get in the open field
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But, in a ball control situation, where the D is having problems getting the stops, and needs a break, or there's 9:00 minutes left in the game and your trailing against a great offensive team, the home run threat isn't always your best option.
scoring TDs is always your best option. ok well unless you have a 1 possession lead adn get past the first down and see daylight but there is less than 1 min left in the game, so you kneel it so that you can end the game. that's the one exception, but even then scoring to go up 2 scores with less than a minute isn't exactly a bad decision
Posted on 8/11/08 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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well trindon...he's a gimmick player who shouldn't cut into carries very much for many reasons (size, fumbling, etc)
Agreed, but he touches the ball at least twice every game.
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Scott should eliminate a lot of the ridley carries.
How about ALL of the Ridley carries?
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murphy doesn't do anything better than keiland from what we've seen, so i think he's KW's backup
He'll be KW's backup, but that may not last. According to some, Murphy is the next Hershel Walker (not to me). It's a good problem to have.
Posted on 8/11/08 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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chris johnson fron ECU got drafted in the mid-1st solely b/c of his bowl game, return ability, and blinding speed
And Felix Jones for that matter.
ETA: Joe Addai doesn't sniff the first round if he doesn't run a 4.37 either.
This post was edited on 8/11/08 at 11:20 am
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