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re: Laser, optical, electronic strike zone
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:54 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:54 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
quote:If the technology existed, it would be great . . . and the NFL would jump on it.
You could also call holding every down in football, or why don't we have a laser shine from above to get the exact spot of the ball each time.....
quote:Nothing can diminish the game unless it takes away they human element of the teams, coaches and fans. The refs/umpires are nothing more than a necessary evil. The less their subjective judgment impacts a game, the better. Period. There is a reason games are listed as <TEAM A> vs. <TEAM B>, not <TEAM A> vs. <TEAM B> vs. <THE REFS>. The refs are NOT supposed to be a "part of the game", any more than the goalposts, foul lines and sidelines are. They are intended to be impartial, objective and consistently accurate arbiters of the rules; anything that moves reality closer to that goal is an improvement on the game.
Fellas, an integral element of sport is JUDGEMENT, you take it away and part of the game is dimished
And, for the last time, the refs and umps are not the players. If you compare this idea to robot players one more time, you are obviously making the argument that you believe the umps are supposed to be competing to determine the outcome of the game just like the players are. And that is just stupid. Just like your robot player analogies.
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Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:55 pm to StatMaster
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Anyone who has watched or played baseball at or above a high school level would notice the strike zone the umpire calls is largely unaffected by the height of the batter. Rarely, if ever, do you see an ump call a ball in the dirt or above the catcher's helmet b/c of the height of the batter. From my experience as both a pitcher and as a fan of baseball at all levels, a strike is a strike no matter the height of the batter.
The exceptions to this rule are usually seen in little league games where there are large disparities in the heights of the batters (and often poor umpiring).
Are you just messing with us? 'Cause you just made me feel like I took a big bong hit.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:56 pm to Tigreat
quote:Then why do the rules define a strike zone?
Each umpire is different. Each has a different strike zone and it is the job of the pitcher and the batter to adjust to that element of the game.
quote:Ah, sorry, missed the sarcasm up til this point.
Also, as far as I am concerned I have never seen an umpire make a call that was wrong.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 5:56 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
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If there was a rigid strikezone as you rule book nazis are suggesting and crying for...then you would have an exciting game of batters standing in the box with the bat on their shoulders waiting for your "rule book" pitch...
Oh, or you could open up the strike zone a bit since you can now accurately measure it.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:02 pm to otowntiger
No. A pitcher shouldn't be throwing to an umpire anyways.. he's pitching to get the batter out, not to get a called strike.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:06 pm to Tigreat
quote:The fact that when a man is up to bat with two outs, bottom of the 9th, down one run, with guys on 2nd and 3rd, with a 1-2 count, and the pitcher throws a pitch at belt high over the corner of the plate and the guy doesn't swing, then the PLAYERS have combined to determine the outcome of the game: batting team loses. BUT, if the umpire decides to call it a ball, and then the guy slaps a two RBI double into left-center on the next pitch, then the UMPIRE has overruled the outcome determined by the players and created a different outcome. That's bad for baseball, just like it is bad for any other sport.
Also, what is it in baseball that the umpire's calls take away from the players?
The ideal in every sport is that there is competition between two teams according to a previously agreed upon set of rules. The teams have players, coaches and fans. The efforts of those three groups on each side, combined with the uncontrollable elements of weather, luck and other objectively random or uncontrolled events, should determine the outcome of the game. ANY actions of ANY humans outside of those three groups that impacts the outcome of a contest (game, match, whatever) takes away from the sport.
There are only three desirable human elements: players, coaches and fans. Refs and umpires are absolutely UNdesirable human elements.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:06 pm to Rex
Depending on how tall a batter is and how much they crouch at the plate would determine the height of the zone, so I don't think there is a way to accurately measure a true strike zone for each pitch.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:09 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
quote:Because they are human beings. Like all human beings, they can fall prey to bias, predjudice, weakness, corruption, etc. Whether it's 1% or 100% is irrelevant. If it could ever happen even once, then removing them from the equation is better than not removing them.
why are you assuming umpires have agendas?
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:10 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say those in favor are 5'8 or shorter and have suffered their whole lives will small man syndrome. You are threatened by people who make decisions that may affect you and desperately want to change them.
Ask people who play the game and who make it their living and I guarantee a strong majority will not give you the satisfaction on commenting on this idea.
I'm sorry if you were always picked last on teams, or if daddy didn't hug you enough when you were young, but some things need to just be the way they were designed.
I hate bad calls just as much as you, but it is what it is. Yell at the ump, get mad for a minute, and then let it go. Thats a great trait of LSU fans is that when a bad call is made, they let the ump know it and it often can create some fire in both the fans and the team to enable them to step up their play to counteract a bad call and make sure another isn't made.
You would hear crickets in the crowd if fans didn't have a reason to cheer, bitch, yell, and cuss.
did you graduate from college?
everyone of your arguments attacks the person and not the points being made. Every one of your "arguments" is completely fallacious and any good point you make is covered up by the fact that you try and make points like a 12 year old school girl
This post was edited on 6/25/09 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:12 pm to Bad Cat
Mainieri needs to recruit at least one "world-class-short-person" to pitch hit with the bases loaded.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:12 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
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If there was a rigid strikezone as you rule book nazis are suggesting and crying for...then you would have an exciting game of batters standing in the box with the bat on their shoulders waiting for your "rule book" pitch...
I've been scoring this bout since it started, and you were down all 9 rounds. However, through perseverance, your point has come through. When you peel all the namecalling and (humorous) b.s. away, that is our sick entertainment... you have a good point.
I take it you were a pitcher... however.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:15 pm to King Joey
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f it could ever happen even once, then removing them from the equation is better than not removing them.
You are a scared and pessimistic tool.
You could get in a car accident, are you still going to drive to work in the morning.
Umpires are trained, schooled, analyzed, evaluated, and ridiculed. Thats enough regulation. Go cry to Obama, he's your best chance at regulating more stupid shite that is fine the way it is.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:16 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
quote:No, clearly you like the bad calls as you have spent several pages of this thread arguing that they are "better" for baseball, and that it would "diminish" the game to do away with them.
I hate bad calls just as much as you
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:17 pm to otowntiger
I would imagine you can put the height measurements of a player in the computer and just use that as the benchmark. I like it. When a pitcher paints a corner he deserves it. THe feelings of the ump shouldn't have any bearing on the calls.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:17 pm to bmy
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No. A pitcher shouldn't be throwing to an umpire anyways.. he's pitching to get the batter out, not to get a called strike.
... again, you're better than weed.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:18 pm to LA007
What I've been able to deduce from his ravings is that he sees baseball as some kind of competitive threeway where the two teams compete against each other and they both compete against the umps/refs (i.e., see what they can get away with). He also seems to relish yelling at the umps as an integral part of the game.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:19 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
quote:So if it weren't for umpires making bad calls, then fans wouldn't cheer when their teams hit a home run? They wouldn't cuss when their shortstop makes an error? They wouldn't bitch when the other team's left fielder makes a run-stealing diving catch to end an inning?
You would hear crickets in the crowd if fans didn't have a reason to cheer, bitch, yell, and cuss
Where did you get the notion that the only human element in baseball is the umpires, and that the only thing fans come to the ballpark to do is watch umpires call balls and strikes? You know, if you look out from behind your umpire's mask once in a while, you might notice there is an honest to god game being played out there, with human players and coaches and fans and everything. And they would all get along just as well without you screwing up calls behind the plate.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:20 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
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I've been scoring this bout since it started, and you were down all 9 rounds. However, through perseverance, your point has come through. When you peel all the namecalling and (humorous) b.s. away, that is our sick entertainment... you have a good point.
I take it you were a pitcher... however.
You are right that I was a pitcher, and yes the b.s. and insults aren't the best way to sell an idea to a crowd...
A little humor never hurt anyone...whether you like it or not
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:20 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
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You are a scared and pessimistic tool.
You could get in a car accident, are you still going to drive to work in the morning.
Umpires are trained, schooled, analyzed, evaluated, and ridiculed. Thats enough regulation. Go cry to Obama, he's your best chance at regulating more stupid shite that is fine the way it is.
seriously, you're an illiterate fig. You're an embarrassment to LSU fans and I pray that you didn't get a degree from this university
This post was edited on 6/25/09 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:23 pm to TigerBait1127
Undergrad, masters, and law.
Kills me that you can go to brcc and come post on the rant all day and act like you went to the school.
Kills me that you can go to brcc and come post on the rant all day and act like you went to the school.
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