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re: Les can't win without Saban's Players

Posted on 7/17/08 at 12:03 am to
Posted by MiketheTiger69
Moore/Norman, Oklahoma
Member since Jan 2004
3315 posts
Posted on 7/17/08 at 12:03 am to
SouthEndZone Tiger, I wasn't implying that the Okie St. program is improved over what it was when Les was there. Les left it in vastly better shape than when Simmons was there. Gundy has recruited well and has at least kept it on a level slightly lower than when Les left.
When Gundy took the program over, he ran off a lot of the players that Miles had recruited and there was an overall rancor that pervaded the program. Unlike Saban, Les was given virtually no credit for lifting the Okie St. program up out of the destruction Simmons left it in.
Gundy was the man that the Cowboyw wanted all along.
Any credit for any success that Okie ST. will see in football will be given first to Okie St.'s favorite son, Gundy and then to T. Boone Pickens for his massive donations to the athletic program. Les is nothing more to them than a footnote to their history and that is wrong because he did as much, if not more, for Okie St. than Saban did for LSU, considering the programs.
Posted by ag4LSU21
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2008
305 posts
Posted on 7/17/08 at 12:13 am to
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These folk really have become my most hated fans

+1
Posted by Monk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
3660 posts
Posted on 7/17/08 at 12:17 am to
That numb nuts crossed up his own cliches. Too much football lingo can make you much more dumber.
Posted by Proejo
Dallas
Member since Oct 2007
5889 posts
Posted on 7/17/08 at 12:26 am to
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Have you already made your reservations for Shreveport this December? You should.


A list of mobile homes for rent can be found there on Craigslist if you're looking to feel at home when you go there.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112692 posts
Posted on 7/17/08 at 4:28 am to
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Les can't win without Saban's Players


And Mark Richt cant win with his own players.

So, what's that dude's point?

Posted by tigerinridgeland
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2006
7707 posts
Posted on 7/17/08 at 9:10 am to
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Any credit for any success that Okie ST. will see in football will be given first to Okie St.'s favorite son, Gundy and then to T. Boone Pickens for his massive donations to the athletic program. Les is nothing more to them than a footnote to their history and that is wrong because he did as much, if not more, for Okie St. than Saban did for LSU, considering the programs.


It may be hard to give Gundy much credit unless he does better than Miles. Miles had the winningest record at OSU in more than 30 years. While OSU fans might want to overlook that fact, the record book will stand. I have my doubts that Gundy will be a success at OSU, even with Pickens' money. But I agree that Miles doesn't seem to get the recognition for what he did for OSU in some quarters.







Posted by cajunjj
Madison, AL
Member since May 2008
7427 posts
Posted on 7/17/08 at 9:22 am to
Posted by geauxgrrl
Lafayette area
Member since Mar 2004
1096 posts
Posted on 7/17/08 at 1:25 pm to
The year we beat them at home (& later in the SEC Champ game) this male Georgia fan behind me, actually broke down in tears in Tiger Stadium...geez, what manly men! We got to the SEC Champ game & the Ga. fans were yelling "You're not in Baton Rouge anymore, you're going down!" We didn't. They're crybabies...& they have an overblown opinion of their coach.
Posted by roygu
Member since Jan 2004
11718 posts
Posted on 7/17/08 at 5:26 pm to
Did you ask him if he thought there were still enough Saban recruits on the team for us to have another successful year?
Posted by LSUsaintsfanla
NOLA
Member since Dec 2006
10956 posts
Posted on 7/17/08 at 5:58 pm to
good god bammers, you disgust me...... thank god my brother n law (bama fan) only comes in twice a year....... saban came into lsu with dinardos players and made an impact immediately..... les came in with sabans players and made an impact immediately..... what did saban do at bama or miami........ heeee frickING CHOKED...... i hate all you delusional frick stains (except bamascoop)....... the best part of you ran down your mom/sisters legs..... my response to any delusional bammers from now on will be as follows "the bear is dead, have a nice day"


and yes this was my 1000th post, what a GD waste
This post was edited on 7/17/08 at 6:00 pm
Posted by Carlos
Member since Nov 2006
2130 posts
Posted on 7/18/08 at 2:09 am to
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What players did saban sign that wouldn't have come to LSU unless he was the coach?? Let's have a name! How do they know that the recruits that did sign (I concede there may be a couple just like any other program) just because saban was coach were a big part of the team?


Going out on a limb here, but probably blue chip out-of-state prospects like JR, Bowe, Joseph Addai and others who had no previous connection to Louisiana or the LSU football program. Also, players like Michael Clayton who talked about not leaning toward LSU until attending the Tennessee game of 2000, his senior year in high school, and whose relatives were encouraging him to go elsewhere.

The Saban era saw LSU drastically increase the amount of highly touted recruits sign, that we had no chance of signing under Gerry DiNardo and his predecessors. To think otherwise is absurd.
Posted by Carlos
Member since Nov 2006
2130 posts
Posted on 7/18/08 at 2:10 am to
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Why is it that Les won with Saban's players but Urban DIDN'T win with Zooks?


Who says he didn't? Even Urban gave Zook credit after winning the title.
Posted by Paul_LSU_passion
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2004
5469 posts
Posted on 7/18/08 at 5:41 am to
Bottomline is there is no win to this argument. People are going to go into it either because they don't care for LSU, therefore not willing to use reason - or they are going to want to use reason because they like LSU.

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