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re: Let's agree to disagree
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:35 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:35 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Does Saban get credit for 2001? I'm sure you credit him with that SEC title and Sugar Bowl victory, right? Did we not back into that game in 2001 with THREE SEC losses, one of which was a prison style raping by Rex Grossman and Florida in Death Valley? It's either a championship or it isn't.
2002 we lost to a shitty arknsas and bama team. that offense was worse than anything les miles has put on the field. Saban cost us another sec title that year by kicking the fg instead of putting arkansas away.
But i wouldnt expect most on here to remember that since it seems like they became fans after 2007.
This post was edited on 11/29/12 at 10:36 am
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Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:35 am to treble hook
It is simply about expectations. I think being in the hunt for SEC titles, National Championships and being highly ranked is what many teams fans would give their left nut for. Content or satisfied may not be the right words.
The people that are only satisfied with National Championships are going to be disappointed way more often than they will be pleased.
Just win is the answer. If you win enough, long enough you will be in contention to win it all.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:35 am to TexasTiger1185
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Therefore he qualifies as a NC type coach.
Going forward how many NC's do you think we win? Let's say the next seven years?
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:35 am to treble hook
I think all teams' fans and ADs for that matter should have this "NC or bust" attitude.
How crazy would the coaching changes board be every year with 119 FBS HC vacancies?
How crazy would the coaching changes board be every year with 119 FBS HC vacancies?
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:36 am to treble hook
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There is another group that wants NC's. Period. Don't care who the coach is. Just win.
Your assumption that LSU can just go out and hire a coach that is guaranteed to win multiple NCs is not reality. There is a reason why only a handful of coaches have won more than 1 NC ... it's hard to do. For every Saban and Meyer, there are hundreds of coaches who won't ever sniff a NC.
Start firing coaches for winning 10+ games but not multiple NCs and you'll have a shitty program in no time flat. Yeah, it sucks to have Saban coaching in the same division as LSU. It cost us a NC last year and we'd be a SECCG win away for a chance to repeat this year.
No school can afford to replace good coaches every few years for not winning multiple NCs.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:37 am to SBC
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You do realize Bill Bellichek has laid eggs twice in Super Bowls. Once with the greatest team ever assembled.
Awful comparison. Please DIAF.
Belicheck also assembled one of the greatest dynasty's of the early 2000s
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:37 am to treble hook
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He won't retire from Alabama
Meh, he's not going back to the NFL. He knows that was a mistake. And he's got the set up at Alabama. Why leave?
But I do agree that we'll try to throw some cash at him if Miles leaves before him
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:38 am to treble hook
Miles would be the perfect coach if he would just unplug his headset come game time. I don't think anyone discounts his ability to recruit top talent to LSU. Players seem to genuinely want to play for him. But I'm not just gonna forget what happened 1/9. Absolutely no excuse for that.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:38 am to treble hook
Has beaten 7 National Championship coaches:
1. Larry Coker
2. Phillip Fulmer, (2 Times)
3. Steve Spurrier, (3 Times)
4. Urban Meyer, (3 Times)
5. Nick Saban, (3 Times)
6. Jim Tressel
7. Gene Chizik , (3 Times)
thnks to speedy:LINK
pissed off is your emotional state. you can hold on to that for the rest of your life. it is a habit that i'm sure you enjoy. it is a sign of immaturity and fear.
good luck w/ that emotional scar.
1. Larry Coker
2. Phillip Fulmer, (2 Times)
3. Steve Spurrier, (3 Times)
4. Urban Meyer, (3 Times)
5. Nick Saban, (3 Times)
6. Jim Tressel
7. Gene Chizik , (3 Times)
thnks to speedy:LINK
pissed off is your emotional state. you can hold on to that for the rest of your life. it is a habit that i'm sure you enjoy. it is a sign of immaturity and fear.
good luck w/ that emotional scar.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:38 am to lsuhunt555
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So you mean to tell me, no matter who the coach is, if he doesn't win a NC he needs to be fired?
I've never said that.
No I do not think Les should be fired.
However, if he would have left I wouldn't have been butthurt like the poeple that love our chance to play in Chicken sandwich bowl
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:39 am to treble hook
Let's look at it this way:
In the 75 years the AP Poll has been around, LSU has finished ranked in the top 10 - 20 times. Of those 20, 5 of them were by Les Miles coached teams. That means that he has 25% of the top 10 finishes while only being the coach here 9% of that time period.
We were averaging a top 10 finish once every 4.5 years before Les, and now with Les we average a top 10 finish once every 1.4 seasons.
In that 75 years, we have finished in the top 5 - 9 times. Of those 9, 3 of them were by Les Miles coached teams. That means that he has 33% of the top 5 finishes while only being the coach here 9% of that time period.
We were averaging a top 5 finish once every 11.33 seasons before Les, and now with Les we average a top 5 finish once every 2.33 seasons.
Since Les has been at LSU, 9 different programs have played in the bcs championship game with 5 different winners (Texas, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Auburn.) Of these 9 programs only 5 have played in it twice: Texas, Ohio St, Florida, LSU and Bama.
Yeah all we are doing is getting 2-3 loss seasons and playing in non bcs bowls.
In the 75 years the AP Poll has been around, LSU has finished ranked in the top 10 - 20 times. Of those 20, 5 of them were by Les Miles coached teams. That means that he has 25% of the top 10 finishes while only being the coach here 9% of that time period.
We were averaging a top 10 finish once every 4.5 years before Les, and now with Les we average a top 10 finish once every 1.4 seasons.
In that 75 years, we have finished in the top 5 - 9 times. Of those 9, 3 of them were by Les Miles coached teams. That means that he has 33% of the top 5 finishes while only being the coach here 9% of that time period.
We were averaging a top 5 finish once every 11.33 seasons before Les, and now with Les we average a top 5 finish once every 2.33 seasons.
Since Les has been at LSU, 9 different programs have played in the bcs championship game with 5 different winners (Texas, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Auburn.) Of these 9 programs only 5 have played in it twice: Texas, Ohio St, Florida, LSU and Bama.
Yeah all we are doing is getting 2-3 loss seasons and playing in non bcs bowls.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:39 am to treble hook
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Going forward how many NC's do you think we win? Let's say the next seven years?
atleast 1. I cant really say past next year, a lot of turnover will happen with players, and we still dont know what we have behind mett. Also will guys like chavis and wilson still be around? No telling. But i do know miles will continue to do his best and hopefully hire the rt guys and continue recruiting very well.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:39 am to treble hook
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treble hook
You seriously suck balls.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:39 am to treble hook
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Read the entire post. I know that. He won one with two losses. We were lucky to be in that game.
Who else deserved to be there? What deserving teams did we jump?
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:40 am to treble hook
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Going forward how many NC's do you think we win? Let's say the next seven years?
I used up all my crystal ball magic in trying to come up with Powerball numbers last night...so I don't fricking know for sure.
However, I'd say that given the state of the program and the classes both on campus and in line to get here, we'll be in a position to compete for both SEC and National Titles every season. The point is to position your program so that they are always in the discussion...always right in the thick of it...always there late.
Sometimes things will work out and you'll make it and win it...sometimes you won't.
That's the way competition in all sports works.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:40 am to DanglingFury
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You seriously suck balls.
Are you 6 years old?
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:41 am to treble hook
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There is another group that wants NC's. Period. Don't care who the coach is. Just win.
quote:Have you looked around college football? Have you at least tried to place yourself in the fan base of the other top programs? If so, and you still think this way, you cannot be reasoned with.
I just think he's not a NC type coach. Yea won one but we all know we lucked into that game. After finally having the big season last year, like we all knew we could, Les lays the big egg on 1/9. Still pisses me off.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:41 am to treble hook
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treble hook
unfortunately, you will never win here
The same people arguing with you that are running naked to the defense of miles are also the ones who bash him the entire season when shite doesn't go their way.
Welcome to the most hypocritical fan base in the U.S. of A
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:41 am to Cap Crunch
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I like how your argument against Miles in these threads is a gif of Jefferson being a dumbass
I just love the gif because it effectively sums up my 2009/2010/2011 frustrations. Miles did start him for that long, after all.
Posted on 11/29/12 at 10:41 am to dgnx6
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Does Saban get credit for 2001? I'm sure you credit him with that SEC title and Sugar Bowl victory, right? Did we not back into that game in 2001 with THREE SEC losses, one of which was a prison style raping by Rex Grossman and Florida in Death Valley? It's either a championship or it isn't.
We didn't only lose to bama at home. Lost 31-0.
And the arky game was to go to ATL for the SEC. Saban a defensive coach let Matt jones march down in three plays. But no one seems to remember that. I'm still pissed about that game.
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