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re: LSU (11-2, 0-0) @ Missouri (6-7, 0-0) - Thurs 6:00pm - ESPN2
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:25 am to SouthOfSouth
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:25 am to SouthOfSouth
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SEC Opener
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Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:37 am to SouthOfSouth
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Just did some quick research... Guess what two games LSU has had a 5+ minute scoring drought in? hint: This is not a trick question...
Just horrible shooting out in the PJ led to both losses. 1 for 13 from 3 against Clemson as I recall and a ton of misses in the lane also. The team is attacking the rim more frequently now than back then so that should help alleviate any prolonged scoring draughts. Their bigs are not in M&M's class. Gray or Hornsby could also have big nights as their perimeter defense was not great in the games I've seen.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:41 am to RANDY44
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Gray or Hornsby could also have big nights as their perimeter defense was not great in the games I've seen.
This is the best way I see us attacking them. Perimeter players driving into the lane. Looks like they have the same problems LSU had last year that they cannot stop penetration. That's why they have given up so many FTs and why all the big games they gave given up have been to guards.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:47 am to SouthOfSouth
I'm just really worried that our lack of depth will kill us this season, even in games where we should easily win. But we'll see tonight if Epps and company can step it up.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:50 am to VitaminC
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I'm just really worried that our lack of depth will kill us this season, even in games where we should easily win. But we'll see tonight if Epps and company can step it up.
I think it can hurt us in other games. I don't see it as a factor in this one. Mizzou is down a couple guys and their best player is 4 games into his career.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:56 am to VitaminC
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I'm just really worried that our lack of depth will kill us this season, even in games where we should easily win. But we'll see tonight if Epps and company can step it up.
I think LSU has done a great job of staying out of foul trouble and I think we have had players step up when needed if an injury or fouls have gotten in the way. Some of LSU's best teams were only 7 deep and that is about where we are right now.
Gray
Hornsby
Quarterman
Patterson
Martin
Mickey
Epps (will get there by midway thru SEC play IMO)
And I'd give 1/2 a rotation player in Bridgewater who has been good in certain spots, especially if an opponent doesn't have towers down low.
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 11:57 am
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:59 am to SouthOfSouth
Bridgewater is good in spurts even with his lack of height because he's a hustle guy/grinder and he throws people around with his size.
ETA: Still holding out hope that he suits up for the football team at some point in his college career.
ETA: Still holding out hope that he suits up for the football team at some point in his college career.
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 1/8/15 at 12:11 pm to ProjectP2294
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Bridgewater is good in spurts even with his lack of height because he's a hustle guy/grinder and he throws people around with his size.
Bridgewater has Big Baby touch around the rim. I love him getting the ball around the hoop. He's just a liability cause his height. Still think he can contribute in spurts like you said.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 1:37 pm to SouthOfSouth
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SouthOfSouth
As always...
I'm really starting to get excited about LSU hoops. The negativity starts to seep in on:
*Their propensity to start slow in games.
*Lack of quality depth
*Still not sold on Quarterman although he's playing better
*Bridgewater could be a beast if he played under control
Posted on 1/8/15 at 1:39 pm to teeMike
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*Still not sold on Quarterman although he's playing better
*Bridgewater could be a beast if he played under control
are we watching the same teams?
Posted on 1/8/15 at 1:41 pm to LSUzealot
Thankfully we're on ESPN2 so we can get some national recognition.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 1:44 pm to teeMike
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The negativity starts to seep in on:
*Their propensity to start slow in games.
*Lack of quality depth
*Still not sold on Quarterman although he's playing better
*Bridgewater could be a beast if he played under control
I do think the slow starts are a problem.
Let's hope we fix that. While we aren't very deep, it has yet to hurt us once. It may be a problem against Kentucky and maybe Arkansas, but otherwise we should be fine with depth.
Quarterman has been a perfect 6th man for us. Solid defense, length, and athletic ability to get to the rim. he has led the team in FT% which is incredible after his shooting last year....
I don't think control is Bridgewater's problem at all. He doesn't like to pass very much, but he has soft touch around the rim and has been good in small segments of duty.
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 1/8/15 at 1:44 pm to LSUzealot
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are we watching the same teams?
You don't find Bridgewater commits fouls too often? In my opinion, he's a raw talent that just needs to play under control a bit.
As far as Quarterman...he has improved but I find him inconsistent. Just not sold...yet.
SEC play will tell the story.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 1:46 pm to SouthOfSouth
Really excited about tonight, and feel if our Tigers can win these next two, we should move into the Top-25, and while many will say it does not matter where you are ranked as long as you get in. Placing yourself in front of the committee on a national stage in the rankings, means a better chance down the road and a better seed.
For tonight, in the battle of the Dream Jobs. Look for Mizzou to play extremely hard, as Coach Anderson has done a great job if you have seen them play. But as others have said LSU is just too much down low. People are saying we are thin down low, but Mizzou is even thinner, look for LSU to feed M&M, early and often as Williams is Mizzou's leader and LSU could pull away early if they get him in foul trouble. Really looking to see if Epps can expand his role and be that missing 3rd big man that plays 16 min+, that will solidify this team come tournament time, as if they have expectations of a Sweet 16 or Elite 8, cannot have only 2 big men.
Also, I believe Hornsby will have a big game tonight, as last game was not his best, even though we did not need him against Savannah St. He is much larger than one of the guards that will be guarding him, and should be charged up after not scoring his last game out.
Do not know how much he will go or how healthy Gill-Caesar is, but he should play, and Mizzou really needs his scoring, as outside of Williams he is the only guy that can consistently get his own shot in the half-court.
One thing to note SoS, great write-up by the way, is I expect LSU to really pressure the primary ball handlers for Mizzou. They have a poor A:TO ratio, mainly due to the fact, outside of the two smaller starting guards they are not a very good passing team. Look for Quarterman to go under the radar this game but play excellent defense and really challenge Mizzou's smaller guards with his length and athleticism.
I have been really impressed with Josh Gray so far this year. Many may not see it but he is a leader and true floor general. He does many things that are not reflected on the stat sheet, like the extra pass that leads to an assist. I think he does an excellent job handling the tempo of the game, which is one of the Point Guards main roles besides being a leader and coach on the floor. I do not like him scoring 20 points per game, and I think he knows and Coach Jones know what this teams strengths are. Some said he was immature or a character problem before when he was recruited. In the multiple games I have been to and all the games I have watched on TV, he has done an outstanding job through the non-con schedule being a leader, and consistent, solid, calming, and mature voice for our baby Tigers.
It is one of the more underrated home court advantages in country and definitely Top-5 in the SEC (UK, UF, Vandy, ARK). But with the weather as a poster mentioned and the students still out hopefully it is not as bad.
I actually think LSU wins pretty wire to wire, but it still is a good game. Mizzou comes on strong late, but LSU which has been surprisingly good at the stripe this year, finishes them off. Another nod to CJJ as many said that was a big thing of his, you can tell they made it an emphasis in the offseason and preseason, and having added guys like Hornsby and Gray also help.
Half
LSU 37
Mizzou 28
Final
LSU 68
Mizzou 54
For tonight, in the battle of the Dream Jobs. Look for Mizzou to play extremely hard, as Coach Anderson has done a great job if you have seen them play. But as others have said LSU is just too much down low. People are saying we are thin down low, but Mizzou is even thinner, look for LSU to feed M&M, early and often as Williams is Mizzou's leader and LSU could pull away early if they get him in foul trouble. Really looking to see if Epps can expand his role and be that missing 3rd big man that plays 16 min+, that will solidify this team come tournament time, as if they have expectations of a Sweet 16 or Elite 8, cannot have only 2 big men.
Also, I believe Hornsby will have a big game tonight, as last game was not his best, even though we did not need him against Savannah St. He is much larger than one of the guards that will be guarding him, and should be charged up after not scoring his last game out.
Do not know how much he will go or how healthy Gill-Caesar is, but he should play, and Mizzou really needs his scoring, as outside of Williams he is the only guy that can consistently get his own shot in the half-court.
One thing to note SoS, great write-up by the way, is I expect LSU to really pressure the primary ball handlers for Mizzou. They have a poor A:TO ratio, mainly due to the fact, outside of the two smaller starting guards they are not a very good passing team. Look for Quarterman to go under the radar this game but play excellent defense and really challenge Mizzou's smaller guards with his length and athleticism.
I have been really impressed with Josh Gray so far this year. Many may not see it but he is a leader and true floor general. He does many things that are not reflected on the stat sheet, like the extra pass that leads to an assist. I think he does an excellent job handling the tempo of the game, which is one of the Point Guards main roles besides being a leader and coach on the floor. I do not like him scoring 20 points per game, and I think he knows and Coach Jones know what this teams strengths are. Some said he was immature or a character problem before when he was recruited. In the multiple games I have been to and all the games I have watched on TV, he has done an outstanding job through the non-con schedule being a leader, and consistent, solid, calming, and mature voice for our baby Tigers.
It is one of the more underrated home court advantages in country and definitely Top-5 in the SEC (UK, UF, Vandy, ARK). But with the weather as a poster mentioned and the students still out hopefully it is not as bad.
I actually think LSU wins pretty wire to wire, but it still is a good game. Mizzou comes on strong late, but LSU which has been surprisingly good at the stripe this year, finishes them off. Another nod to CJJ as many said that was a big thing of his, you can tell they made it an emphasis in the offseason and preseason, and having added guys like Hornsby and Gray also help.
Half
LSU 37
Mizzou 28
Final
LSU 68
Mizzou 54
Posted on 1/8/15 at 1:50 pm to SouthOfSouth
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*Their propensity to start slow in games.
Am I off base here that much?
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*Lack of quality depth
So after our starting 5, please enlighten me.
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*Still not sold on Quarterman although he's playing better
When he gets consistent, I'll review my opinion
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*Bridgewater could be a beast if he played under control
The games I've seen, he has a propensity to foul and play out of control.
But you are the LSU BB guru SOS. I'll take my medicine and move on...(I say this in all seriousness)
Posted on 1/8/15 at 1:53 pm to teeMike
I think the Tim Quarterman not being consistent clouded my judgement on most of your post cause I think he has been our most consistent player...
He's had over 6 points in every game thing year. Over 10 points in 7 of last 9 games. He's had over 4 assists in 6 of 13 games. Had over 5 rebounds in 10 of 13 games. Has the best free throw percentage on the team and has gotten to the line consistently (11 of 13 games). Played 30+ minutes in last 12 games with great defense. Turned the ball over more than 3 times only once.
He's had over 6 points in every game thing year. Over 10 points in 7 of last 9 games. He's had over 4 assists in 6 of 13 games. Had over 5 rebounds in 10 of 13 games. Has the best free throw percentage on the team and has gotten to the line consistently (11 of 13 games). Played 30+ minutes in last 12 games with great defense. Turned the ball over more than 3 times only once.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 1:56 pm to teeMike
Bridgewater is too short to ever be a beast. He hasn't looked great so far but he doesn't kill us when he's on the floor. But he has a low ceiling because he's shorter than some SG.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 2:04 pm to LSUzealot
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Bridgewater is too short to ever be a beast. He hasn't looked great so far but he doesn't kill us when he's on the floor. But he has a low ceiling because he's shorter than some SG.
I do not think anybody was ever expecting him to be a "beast". We just need somebody else to add that 6-10 min spark off the bench, near the end of the first half, or in foul trouble. That wont turn the ball over, and is not a liability on the defensive side of the ball. I believe if he lost some weight, and got quicker he would be a good option to guard most teams 3rd guard, as most teams now go with the 3 guards, like with Mizzou's Gill-Caesar. PG-C as a term are not really used in college basketball or the pros. Over the past 15 years and last 5 especially, positions have become irrelevant, guys that are 6'10 can now step out and handle the ball, i.e. Martin. Watch Iowa State play, Bridge would do well in a system that is positionless and puts guys in the best matchups and areas to be most effective.
Could see Bridge being a short corner guy, or a high post worker. Put him in areas where he has the quickness over larger guys and can use it, and the size over smaller defenders where he can use it as well, all things CJJ has thought of or tried, just what I see would work best for him right now.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 2:07 pm to LSUzealot
Yea I don't think Bridgewater is growing any more. But if he gets his jump shot going then he can be really good player in a year or two.
And for Mickey: I fear that he is near his ceiling (for blocks, shooting)... I hope I'm wrong though.
And for Mickey: I fear that he is near his ceiling (for blocks, shooting)... I hope I'm wrong though.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 2:13 pm to VitaminC
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Yea I don't think Bridgewater is growing any more. But if he gets his jump shot going then he can be really good player in a year or two. And for Mickey: I fear that he is near his ceiling (for blocks, shooting)... I hope I'm wrong though.
Elaborate?
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