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re: LSU beats UF this season because of UF's offense
Posted on 5/6/09 at 3:53 pm to Akit1
Posted on 5/6/09 at 3:53 pm to Akit1
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51-21 is very, very fresh in the LSU mind
Yes, fresh in the, "Oh my God, we just got completely dominated on both sides of the line and every single one of those guys is coming back next year with more experience, more know-how, and more confidence", sense.
LSU coaches will fire up the team better this year and scheme harder, no doubt, but deep down they know they are going to get their asses handed to them. I mean, seriously. UF is more talented and with greater levels of depth at EVERY SINGLE POSITION on the field, other than fullback.
Home field advantage will be worth 7 to 10 points for the Tigers this year, which will keep the game within about 30 points.
47-17 is your ballpark final. It will be UGLY.
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Posted on 5/6/09 at 3:56 pm to Bad Cat
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Tebow will be exposed this year
Yeah. Ok.
Posted on 5/6/09 at 3:57 pm to HarnessedInSlums
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UF is more talented and with greater levels of depth at EVERY SINGLE POSITION on the field, other than fullback.
not WR, RB, or OL. if so, please, tell me how.
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47-17 is your ballpark final. It will be UGLY.
this does not make sense. how much better can a national champion get with the complacency factor? the defense and offense was badass last year, so its not like you are gonna drastically improve on points scored or 12 points yielded a game.
if we lose by 30 on the road with a bad QB and defensive staff, how will we lose at hom by the same amount with an improved QB and staff?
Posted on 5/6/09 at 3:58 pm to lsusteve1
You think Dixson is better than Hernandez?
Posted on 5/6/09 at 3:59 pm to 2010LSU
Look, We weren't as bad last year as that score, and our over-all record indicated. If we protect the ball, we will have a chance to beat Florida. They will not run away with this game. They're good, really good. But the only way they can go is down. Tebow has reached the apex by winning a NC and heisman.
On the negative side, we won't sneak up on them, were the biggest game they have all year.
On the negative side, we won't sneak up on them, were the biggest game they have all year.
Posted on 5/6/09 at 4:02 pm to inebr8ted tiger
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Look, We weren't as bad last year as that score, and our over-all record indicated.
yes we were. we couldnt score points, we couldnt protect the ball, we couldnt stop the other team from scoring points, we couldnt force turnovers.
we were terrible
Posted on 5/6/09 at 4:24 pm to HarnessedInSlums
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no doubt, but deep down they know they are going to get their asses handed to them.
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47-17 is your ballpark final. It will be UGLY.
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HarnessedInSlums
PLEASE be sure to come back after the game and take your medicine.....
Posted on 5/6/09 at 4:27 pm to 2010LSU
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their TE hernandez is better than dickson. sorry, its true.
BECAUSE he is used more....Dickson on there team last year is just as good.....
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their defense is better than ours. show me where we are stronger.
Can't do that because we haven't played a game w/ our new coordinator's....it's pure speculation.
BUT we will not be worse than they are in EVERY position.....book it.
Posted on 5/6/09 at 4:39 pm to lsusteve1
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BECAUSE he is used more....Dickson on there team last year is just as good.....
they actually were used basically the same amount as far as catches goes. hernandez is just better.
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Can't do that because we haven't played a game w/ our new coordinator's....it's pure speculation.
but we know who were have and at what positions. you also have to factor in that not only are we talking starters, but backups as well. LSU has some backups who have never played a game at that position before, whereas UF has all their backups coming back.
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BUT we will not be worse than they are in EVERY position.....book it.
ur saying book it, which implies you are confident, so where do you imagine we will be better?
This post was edited on 5/6/09 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 5/6/09 at 4:39 pm to 2010LSU
I could sit here and explain why this is UF's deepest and greatest team ever, but the tendency here will be to believe that it couldn't possibly be true and that somehow LSU will field a team that has made enough strides to be good enough to challenge for the BCS, and in doing so, be good enough to beat Florida.
The real truth is that LSU is at least a year way from regaining their completeness. The Tigers have a handful of truly excellent players (Scott, Jones, LaFell, etc...), but your overall depth is not comparable to where it was in 2006/2007 and your line play (usually an LSU strenght) is only average-to-good. Not to mention, you are led by a young, inexperienced quarterback that at this point in time couldn't carry Matt Flynn's jock strap. I think you guys are going to take your lumps again this year and will probably lose 3 or 4 games. In fact, I compare your 2009 team to UF's 2007 team (talented, but green at all the wrong positions).
UF, on the other hand, is going to field its best ever team. A senior quarterback (always deadly in the SEC) will be protected by a deep, huge, and skilled offensive line that allowed UF's backs to run for 7 yard per carry last year. Throw in a freak tight end and a speedy core of talented receivers who have been waiting for a chance, and UF will have an offense that averages 40 to 45 points per game.
On defense, the entire line will be juniors and seniors, and they are all good. Not only that, but the depth is unheard of. Believe me. I've been following UF a long time and we've never been 8-10 deep on the defensive line. We've had bodies, but never so many players that could all be starting if it were any other year. Throw in the best linebacker in the country and a supporting cast that is both deep and experienced, along with bar-none, the best secondary in the country, and this is potentially the best defense in UF history.
In analyzing the UF-LSU game this year, I keep looking for a way that LSU can pull off the upset. It'll either need to be Scott doing his best Jerome Bettis impression, or LaFell, Toliver, and Dickson somehow managing to put on some kind of receiving clinic. But then I can't see a way Scott will have any room running INTO the heart of UF's defense (Marsh and Spikes) and gaining enough yards to keep UF's offense off the field. And how is LaFell going to fare against a secondary that shut down Sam Bradford and Oklahoma last year? We're talking Jordan Jefferson here.
I don't think complacency will be as big a factor for UF as it was last year, or 2007. You'd have to follow UF closely to understand how many leaders this team has and the type of language they have been using since beating Oklahoma. UF does have lazy players, like any program, but there are enough heart/gamer types on both sides of the ball to keep this team from imploding.
Again, I don't see LSU matching up well against UF at all, unlike other years. That's why I am confident in predicting a mismatched game and score. As far as LSU being able to sneak up on Florida, forget that too. The UF football program approaches the LSU game every year with fear and apprehension. Gator Nation ensures the program never forgets 1997 and 2002. The LSU game is circled on Florida calendars out of respect and is precisely the reason your 2007 championship team - a team far deeper and talented than the opposing Gator squad that year - was pushed to the limit.
The real truth is that LSU is at least a year way from regaining their completeness. The Tigers have a handful of truly excellent players (Scott, Jones, LaFell, etc...), but your overall depth is not comparable to where it was in 2006/2007 and your line play (usually an LSU strenght) is only average-to-good. Not to mention, you are led by a young, inexperienced quarterback that at this point in time couldn't carry Matt Flynn's jock strap. I think you guys are going to take your lumps again this year and will probably lose 3 or 4 games. In fact, I compare your 2009 team to UF's 2007 team (talented, but green at all the wrong positions).
UF, on the other hand, is going to field its best ever team. A senior quarterback (always deadly in the SEC) will be protected by a deep, huge, and skilled offensive line that allowed UF's backs to run for 7 yard per carry last year. Throw in a freak tight end and a speedy core of talented receivers who have been waiting for a chance, and UF will have an offense that averages 40 to 45 points per game.
On defense, the entire line will be juniors and seniors, and they are all good. Not only that, but the depth is unheard of. Believe me. I've been following UF a long time and we've never been 8-10 deep on the defensive line. We've had bodies, but never so many players that could all be starting if it were any other year. Throw in the best linebacker in the country and a supporting cast that is both deep and experienced, along with bar-none, the best secondary in the country, and this is potentially the best defense in UF history.
In analyzing the UF-LSU game this year, I keep looking for a way that LSU can pull off the upset. It'll either need to be Scott doing his best Jerome Bettis impression, or LaFell, Toliver, and Dickson somehow managing to put on some kind of receiving clinic. But then I can't see a way Scott will have any room running INTO the heart of UF's defense (Marsh and Spikes) and gaining enough yards to keep UF's offense off the field. And how is LaFell going to fare against a secondary that shut down Sam Bradford and Oklahoma last year? We're talking Jordan Jefferson here.
I don't think complacency will be as big a factor for UF as it was last year, or 2007. You'd have to follow UF closely to understand how many leaders this team has and the type of language they have been using since beating Oklahoma. UF does have lazy players, like any program, but there are enough heart/gamer types on both sides of the ball to keep this team from imploding.
Again, I don't see LSU matching up well against UF at all, unlike other years. That's why I am confident in predicting a mismatched game and score. As far as LSU being able to sneak up on Florida, forget that too. The UF football program approaches the LSU game every year with fear and apprehension. Gator Nation ensures the program never forgets 1997 and 2002. The LSU game is circled on Florida calendars out of respect and is precisely the reason your 2007 championship team - a team far deeper and talented than the opposing Gator squad that year - was pushed to the limit.
This post was edited on 5/6/09 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 5/6/09 at 4:42 pm to HarnessedInSlums
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The real truth is that LSU is at least a year way from regaining their completeness
i stopped reading right here. we arent talking about LSU beating UF. that would imply completeness. ur dumbass thinks that LSU will lose by the same margin as last year, when the game is at home, our star players are a year older, and we have a better coaching staff. that is where we are arguing.
uf may very well win by two scores, but sayin we will lose by 30 again is not realistic.
Posted on 5/6/09 at 4:43 pm to 2010LSU
Posted on 5/6/09 at 4:47 pm to HarnessedInSlums
All the rational aside, I remember when a VASTLY superior Florida team came to Baton Rouge and LOST! If the two teams played 100 games Florida would probably win 99 of them. But that night (1997 I think) LSU won.
I do not think whatever the talent gap may be between the two teams now it is nearly as wide as the two teams that took the field that night.
I do not think whatever the talent gap may be between the two teams now it is nearly as wide as the two teams that took the field that night.
Posted on 5/6/09 at 4:56 pm to 2010LSU
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ur dumbass thinks that LSU will lose by the same margin as last year, when the game is at home, our star players are a year older, and we have a better coaching staff. that is where we are arguing.
There's little need for name-calling and insults here, unless you are uninterested in civil discussion.
UF's star players are a year older too. And UF has far more of them, all improved with SEC and BCS, big-game, championship experience.
In a year when the programs are closely matched, I think home field might help your team have a small, or possibly large, edge. This year, unfortunately for the Tigers, the gap is tremendous. Think about it. At quarterback - the most important position on the field - you guys are going to throw a sophomore with a 49% career completion percentage up against the best defense in the nation. UF has Tim Tebow - Heisman winner and two-time national champion. If that was the only disparity on the field I might agree that home field advantage might negate UF's experience, but it's not. UF's defense is also better at multiple positions, and it's not even that close.
Posted on 5/6/09 at 4:58 pm to Bad Cat
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Tebow will be exposed this year!
I have heard this the past 2 years. I don't like him at all but let's be serious...he isn't going to just magically shite the bed his senior season.
Posted on 5/6/09 at 4:58 pm to HarnessedInSlums
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UF's star players are a year older too. And UF has far more of them, all improved with SEC and BCS, big-game, championship experience.
GTFO that only applies to LSU.
Posted on 5/6/09 at 5:00 pm to lsusteve1
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Can't do that because we haven't played a game w/ our new coordinator's....it's pure speculation.
Ding ding!
Should we be better? Yup
Will we be? Most likely but we don't know that yet.
Posted on 5/6/09 at 5:01 pm to HarnessedInSlums
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There's little need for name-calling and insults here, unless you are uninterested in civil discussion.
UF's star players are a year older too. And UF has far more of them, all improved with SEC and BCS, big-game, championship experience.
In a year when the programs are closely matched, I think home field might help your team have a small, or possibly large, edge. This year, unfortunately for the Tigers, the gap is tremendous. Think about it. At quarterback - the most important position on the field - you guys are going to throw a sophomore with a 49% career completion percentage up against the best defense in the nation. UF has Tim Tebow - Heisman winner and two-time national champion. If that was the only disparity on the field I might agree that home field advantage might negate UF's experience, but it's not. UF's defense is also better at multiple positions, and it's not even that close.
I laugh when I see Florida fans talking shite about this year., I really do. Your spring practices have been a train wreck in slow motion.
Come back and talk when your o-line gels, and you find a WR that can actually catch the ball.
I'm going to enjoy seeing LSU beat Florida in Tiger Stadium.
This post was edited on 5/6/09 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 5/6/09 at 5:02 pm to klrstix
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I do not think whatever the talent gap may be between the two teams now it is nearly as wide as the two teams that took the field that night.
If you knew everything I know about Doug Johnson and his trip to Baton Rouge that year, you'd understand why UF went into that game with the wrong chemistry and mindset. It was a great victory for your program, but UF, for the majority of that season, was a mental wreck without a leader. Your team probably would have won that game 3 or 4 out of ever 10 times.
Posted on 5/6/09 at 5:12 pm to HeartOfGeauxld
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Your spring practices have been a train wreck in slow motion. Come back and talk when your o-line gels, and you find a WR that can actually catch the ball.
I can't figure out what you are talking about. UF's spring practices were very productive and uncovered a number of surprise performers. You haven't heard of many of those players yet, but you will when they are burning you.
As for the offensive line, it will be one of the strongest UF has ever had. We had young center step up and play lights out all spring. He'll allow the Pounceys to both play guard. At tackle we are solid.
UF has never had trouble finding receivers and this year will be no different. By the end of the season you will either respect or know the names Thompson and Hammond. Both of them were good enough to challenge and many times beat our first-team secondary during the spring.
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