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re: Miles And Character Issues
Posted on 11/29/08 at 12:46 pm to MontanaTiger
Posted on 11/29/08 at 12:46 pm to MontanaTiger
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Does something have to rise to the level of a criminal offense before you consider it thuggary?
I SAID disciplinary action.
Disciplinary action - imposed by coaches
Criminal offense - Men in Blue
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Posted on 11/29/08 at 12:46 pm to MontanaTiger
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Do you think the head coach of a college football team embracing a gangsta rapper is a good thing?
Doesn't seem to bother/effect USC.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 12:47 pm to MontanaTiger
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Do you think the head coach of a college football team embracing a gangsta rapper is a good thing?
Doesn't seem to bother/effect USC.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 12:47 pm to prplhze2000
Are you serious? do you know any of these guys off the field? when have any guys that are still here gotten into serious trouble? How many of the guys here that you know of are in "gangs" You my friend are a complete idiot. Most of these guys are great guys off the field. Im not saying what they do on the field is good character, but stop making gang assumptions about these players. You have no clue what you are talking about. Talk about their play on the field all you want to, but until you actually know some of them outside of football then do not judge and say they are gang members with low quality.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 12:48 pm to TigersInExile
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I think there is a fertilizer overload of fans bitterly disappointed in a bummer season on the heels of an SEC and national championship year ... and that we all wanted the ride to last forever, at least an SECC year in and year out and a perpetual run at an annual NC game, I'm no different in that regard - I never want LSU to lose in any sport, but those are unrealistic expectations.
CLM was in an untenable situation when rapper boy appeared on LSU's doorstep, Miles can scarcely be viably accused of holding him up as an example for his team. To suggest that is far-fetched and ridiculous ... in fact, if we'd had a more promising season of FB, this wouldn't even be a blip on the radar screen right now, but far be it from bitterly disappointed fans leaving any stone unturned in their season of discontent.
What ticks me off big-time are fans labeling LSU FB players as thugs for no reason other than several stupid, boneheaded penalties, one of which came at a super-critical 4th & 29 point in the game ... just because we're all frustrated and mega-bummed at how this year went. It's uncalled for, unsubstantiated and downright silly.
We see the product on the field, especially the one we saw this season, and proceed to speculate and gossip endlessly about John Doe's wife's third cousin thrice removed on her great-great uncle's side locker room gossip, allegedly and post it and twaddle on about it endlessly without an iota of solid proof.
Hell, UF fans were ready to can UM after last year - some of them started the typical fireUM website.
While coaching mistakes were made, especially the co-D coordinator debacle, this ain't Pop Warner FB. These are kids learning to be young men at LSU to get an education while playing SEC FB. Therefore, some of this falls on them - you opt to come to LSU and put on the P&G, then be prepared to play through the good times (last year) and the bad times (a year that saw LSU reduced to starting a Harvard walk-on at QB, followed by a pair of redshirt and true freshman QBs).
All of that notwithstanding, this crapola of labeling the LSU FB team as a bunch of thugs is downright childish and grossly inappropriate and, moreover, it is utterly baseless and without substantiation.
Thank you for one of the only logical, rational posts I've read in 2 days.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 1:02 pm to MontanaTiger
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Haven't you watched any of the games in the last few years under Miles? Does something have to rise to the level of a criminal offense before you consider it thuggary?
No, we're idiots who have foolishly kept contributing to the alumni fund, the TAF and paying for our annual season tickets (which friends and relatives keep warm for us in our temporary job exiled absence when we can't make it back home for games), who don't keep up with games or have relatives tape the ones we don't get up here for us.
Of course we watch games. Did it ever occur to anyone here that perhaps this group of young men, most of whom came to LSU from winning HS programs on the whole, and who have experienced nothing but winning up til now at LSU MAY have had a little sense of entitled complacency coming in?
Some of that falls on the coaches and some on the players - you can teach and preach all you want about the dangers of complacency, especially in HS and college sports, especially FB, but reality on the field is another matter altogether.
When disillusionment hits, it's tough and 18-22 year olds learning to be young men have varying levels of maturity and personality traits, etc.
Nothing but a killer, shut down defense, which LSU wasn't going to have even if CLM hadn't made a mega-misfire on the co-coordinators, with both the talent and leadership we lost on defense, was going to help compensate for the QB situation.
As I've stated on the Rant endlessly lately, I've always personally preferred a hardazz defensively minded guy for SEC HC jobs, but that's just me. However, CLM is LSU's current HC coming off a crappy season in which he made an awful decision in the off season that impacted LSU's defense big-time. Since he's coming off the heels of a SECC and NC, one hopes for LSU's sake that he makes better decisions all the way around than he did this season ... even though he wasn't my choice, I don't want to see LSU struggle through the debacle of having to fire its HC. I rather see CLM succeed and get this thing retooled.
If that doesn't happen, then he'll be fired and LSU will have to break in a new HC. Time will tell, which scarcely makes me blind to shortcomings and issues.
A point about what we perceive as on the field lack of discipline: Remember when everyone was throwing a collective nutty about Ciron Black's perpetual false starts in 2007? Only later did a dear [retired from FB] friend of ours who enjoyed a profitable, albeit not spectacular, NFL career, explain a few things to us.
In college, he was persuaded to convert from D line to O line. He explained how incredibly difficult it was to wait for the snap count since everything on the D side of the ball is just the opposite of what it is on the O side ... hence, a bevy of false starts is an expected (by coaches) ill initially when converting D line to O line.
As he went on to explain the difficulties inherent in making the adjustment from D line to O line, it made the plethora of O line penalties last year way more understandable. What we'd thought was just un-disciplined play by Black turned out to be just his learning curve.
So not everything we think we see on the field is as it seems. Some is and it's CLM's responsibility to get that fixed. Again, time will tell.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 1:22 pm to TigersInExile
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TigersInExile
I like the way you think. :
I would even go so far as to believe that some of the OOC scheduling this year was in anticipation of a down year. Not to mention the fact that it appeared that we would have 6 QBs on scholarship in 2009 right before RP was given his walking papers... Posted on 11/29/08 at 1:26 pm to TigersInExile
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TigersInExile
Type on my friend, type on. It's nice to see a logical, rational response show up on here now and again.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 1:26 pm to Jason9782003
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Now we're blaming Snoop-dog for the season
Posted on 11/29/08 at 1:34 pm to tiger in the gump
How in the hell can you not blame the head coach. Last season and this season. We had more penatlties last year because of the lack of discipline. And now this shite. The player kicks the ball into the freaking stands, comes to the side line and Miles puts his fukn arm aroung the kid. ARE YOU KIDDING ME! He should have screamed at the kid. And then a freaking body Slam on national TV. WHATEVER, I was totally embarrassed lastnight to say I was a tiger fan after seeing that on NATIONAL TV. And my 3 nephews are all saying why are they doing that. MILES IS THE IDIOT RUNNING THE JOINT. Ley me ask you this, Why can't you blame Miles????????
Posted on 11/29/08 at 1:38 pm to Uncs
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Ley me ask you this, Why can't you blame Miles????????
Ummm, why can't you be bothered to read and comprehend posts in their entirety? The fact that you allege such, is indicative of the fact that you don't ... on both counts.
Just more
Posted on 11/29/08 at 1:39 pm to prplhze2000
I have heard it all.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 1:55 pm to Uncs
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We had more penatlties last year because of the lack of discipline.
A lot of our penalties last year were on our offense due to players not lining up correctly, false starts, etc. which IMO were due to a new offensive scheme being implemented. I would attribute this to a learning curve moreso than a lack of discipline. Those penalties have not been much of a problem this season.
Just the same stupid defensive penalties...which do show a progressively worse lack of discipline.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 1:57 pm to MontanaTiger
mccoy never wanted to come to lsu. he was a texas commit from day 1.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 7:35 pm to Uncs
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The player kicks the ball into the freaking stands, comes to the side line and Miles puts his fukn arm aroung the kid. ARE YOU KIDDING ME! He should have screamed at the kid.
go back it and watch it again. He was chewing him out and benched him. You're only seeing what you want to see and definitely got an earful from Miles
Posted on 11/29/08 at 7:40 pm to OBUDan
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I think there is a fertilizer overload of fans bitterly disappointed in a bummer season on the heels of an SEC and national championship year ...
Yes...and just add in Nutt and Saban's success within the western division and the comparison falls in rich soil for anxiety about the future. Thoughful post.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 7:49 pm to ATR
The problem is not just penalties - it's the type of penalties. Roughing penalties, unsportsmanlike conduct penalties, constant trash talking - that's what I'm talking about. If everyone isn't embarrassed by that type of behvavior, then that's just indicative of how society's standards continue to sink lower and lower.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 8:38 pm to Skillet
First off Billy Cannon was never kicked off the team. His problems came later in life and he served his time. How can u compare these two? it's ridiciulous. Yeah Cannon screwed up, but as i stated once in my post Billy cannon paid for his mistake as did perilloux. Just because of the mistake made by Cannon do we all of a sudden forget what Billy Cannon meant for the purple and gold. Perilloux was obviously a thug from day one. Cannon has become successful in life after football. will perilloux hopefully because football doesn't last forever
Posted on 11/29/08 at 8:40 pm to MontanaTiger
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Looking at the level of thuggary that this team exhibits, the fact that Miles basically let Colt McCoy go in favor of Ryan Perrilloux, and his embracing of gangsta rapper Snoop Dog, I'm beginning to think that he is clueless when it comes to the all
We get it. Les should have known RP would screw up because he's black. You're racist. Move on.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 8:55 pm to Jason9782003
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Now we're blaming Snoop-dog for the season
This is hilarious...this board is a pyscho-analysts dream shot. A 'target rich environment' as Mav would say. As best as I can recollect, nobody on this years squad has been arrested (correct me if I'm wrong) but now to some fans LSU has become Thug U. A kid falls for the oldest trick in the '3rd and forever' book and retaliates for an eye gouge with a late push, and 'essentialy' loses the game for LSU...and now he's a thug. Another kid (who plays with a very fast motor) peeved that he didn't snatch a tipped pass makes an ill advised kick at the ball...and now he's a thug. I guess Pat Peterson's holding penalty or Chris Hawkins 'arm obstruction' penalty also qualify them for 'thug' status? Yeah...it's been a crap year but the level of hatred and stupidity displayed on this board proves nothing about LSU football and everything about some of our fans...and their own 'character issues'.
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