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Posted on 6/7/10 at 3:08 pm to
Posted by lawball29
Member since Jun 2005
358 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 3:08 pm to
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once again, you cannot assume that UCI would have pitched the same to Nola, or pitched at all to him. a different situation would have dictated a different pitching strategy.


this

as well as a host of other variables
Posted by Herbstreit
Member since Sep 2008
734 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 3:35 pm to
Rouge, If my team was down by 1 run in an elimination game in the 8th inning - I'd prefer runners on 2nd & 3rd with 1 out VS runners on 1st & 2nd with 0 outs.

However, from what you say, you'd prefer the latter. Is this a true assessment?
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138349 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 3:39 pm to
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If my team was down by 1 run in an elimination game in the 8th inning - I'd prefer runners on 2nd & 3rd with 1 out VS runners on 1st & 2nd with 0 outs.

However, from what you say, you'd prefer the latter. Is this a true assessment?
that is a fair statement. you have 6 outs left. i want as many of them to work with as possible.
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
21979 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 3:46 pm to
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you have 6 outs left. i want as many of them to work with as possible.


I find that to be solid reasoning. The thing that most people advocating the bunt in this thread are taking for granted is that Gibbs would have successfully sacrificed without a doubt when he hasn't done it all year. As simple a play as a sac bunt should be, that's a big assumption.

Fact of the matter is that it isn't a clear cut situation. Obviously the decision that was made didn't work out, so a lot of fans think the decision was wrong. I disagree, and I'd let Gibbs swing away again if that same situation arose.
Posted by Herbstreit
Member since Sep 2008
734 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 3:56 pm to
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Obviously the decision that was made didn't work out, so a lot of fans think the decision was wrong

I thought the decision was wrong at the time and I still think the same. If CPM isn't confident in Gibbs getting the ball down, PH for him, or do a better job teaching him how to get it down so that when the situation arises, he'll execute.

Like I said earlier, I think most baseball coaches would have bunted in that situation-
Posted by ScottieP
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2004
1933 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 4:01 pm to
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I thought the decision was wrong at the time and I still think the same. If CPM isn't confident in Gibbs getting the ball down, PH for him, or do a better job teaching him how to get it down so that when the situation arises, he'll execute.


I believe we should have bunted. You can not PH for Gibbs b/c you need him in the bottom of the 8th and 9th.

The thing that gets me is CPM decided not to bunt with Gibbs in the 8th and it did not work then given another opportunity in the 9th he decided not to bunt again with Gaudet (same result). If Gaudet can not get it down you could easiily PH for him b/c he would not be a factor in the field in the bottom of the inning. PH Dishon for Gaudet would give you the best chance of getting the guy to 2nd.
Posted by Dallasgrowl
Allen, Texas
Member since Oct 2003
7088 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 4:02 pm to
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you dont ditch what has worked for you all season in the playoffs


All season in the playoffs? Okay, LSU won a few games in a row during the SEC tourney, but I think we would all agree that the season did not turn out so great.

However, several blown scoring opportunities over the weekend regardless of the logic will get one scrutinized at least a little (like it or not).
Posted by Herbstreit
Member since Sep 2008
734 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 4:05 pm to
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You can not PH for Gibbs b/c you need him in the bottom of the 8th and 9th

Agree....brain went numb-

Speaking of Gaudet and bunting...Still a bit confused as why you'd try to bunt Gaudet (which he failed doing) Friday night vs UCI and then take him out and run Watkins. Why not PH Watkins for Gaudet and let Watkins (who I'm sure is a much better bunter) try to put one down??
Posted by ScottieP
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2004
1933 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 4:17 pm to
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Speaking of Gaudet and bunting...Still a bit confused as why you'd try to bunt Gaudet (which he failed doing) Friday night vs UCI and then take him out and run Watkins. Why not PH Watkins for Gaudet and let Watkins (who I'm sure is a much better bunter) try to put one down??


I would not try to bunt with Gaudet I would have PH Dishon for Gaudet. Watkins was already in the game(which I believe was a mistake in itself)so he could not have PH for Gaudet.
Posted by Herbstreit
Member since Sep 2008
734 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 8:23 pm to
No he wasn't already in the game. Remember I'm talking about the Friday night game; CPM gave Gaudet the bunt and UCI threw our runner out at 2nd. Gaudet ended up safe at 1st and then CPM pinch ran Watkins for him. My question was why not PH Watkins for Gaudet and let him sac bunt?
Posted by LSU Gat
Denham Springs
Member since Aug 2005
1578 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 8:47 pm to
So your just another "Monday morning coach" to. What makes you think YOUR opinion is any better than the next guys? Oh....I see you got a gazillion posts, that must be the reason.
Posted by Ziggy52
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
198 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 9:36 pm to
When down 1 run in the eighth inning 98% of coaches bunt the runners to 2nd and 3rd. I'll give you an example. Vanderbilt just won their Reginal in extra innings with a squeeze bunt. Hello!
Posted by AchyBreakyHeart
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2008
29 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 9:46 pm to
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My question was why not PH Watkins for Gaudet and let him sac bunt?


I agree. Also, there was a time early in the UCLA game that Landry should have bunted to move the runners so we could get the first run across early. The first run against a dominate pitcher is huge. And Gibbs should have bunted in the 8th yesterday. Runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out has a very high percent chance of tying the game up. Probably a lot higher than the "40%" chance Gibbs could have gotten a hit. I'm sure even Coach Mainieri would agree looking back. Oh well, it just wasn't our year anyway. Oh yeah, and not agreeing with everything the coach does in every single game doesn't make you a retard. I don't know of a coach in the world that goes all season without making mistakes they wish they had back.
Posted by SaintsXLIV
Utah
Member since Dec 2009
616 posts
Posted on 6/24/10 at 3:45 am to
!Yeah!
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