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re: Most Overlooked Stat So Far
Posted on 9/21/09 at 7:10 pm to slackster
Posted on 9/21/09 at 7:10 pm to slackster
quote:
Popeye12. Get off of RS dick. He would lead this team to a 5-7 record at best should JJ go down, dumbass.
He's more athletic than 5-7.. but I do think we would be in a world of trouble.
1a) Jefferson
1b) Lee
2) Shepard
This post was edited on 9/21/09 at 7:11 pm
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Posted on 9/21/09 at 7:11 pm to slackster
quote:
Popeye12. Get off of RS dick. He would lead this team to a 5-7 record at best should JJ go down, dumbass.
oh lord msutiger brought reinforcements...please to elaborate on your expert prediction of our 5-7 record if JJ is hurt?
Posted on 9/21/09 at 7:13 pm to msutiger
quote:
IM NOT SAYING LEE IS BETTER THAN JEFFERSON.for fricks sake. Im saying Lee should start the next game to see how he does. 130 PASSING YARDS AGAINST VANDY WONT GET IT DONE IN THE SEC.
It got it done that night, and I think I'll wait to see how many passing yards we have in the next SEC game to evaluate if it get done then.
I happen to think that Jefferson is choosing the short routes more than he should, as on most plays we have multiple WR's out there, right? I think he needs to be coached to look for the intermediate routes more, but that will come with maturity and only if he gets more protection than he is getting right now. He makes way better decisions (with regard to protecting the football) than Lee ever showed all of last year, so I think we have the right guy there.
I also think starting Lee would be the wrong move because of the relative youth of both quarterbacks - unless Lee is clearly the better QB based on practices and the limited game time he is getting.
One more point about the turnovers - does anybody think the stats at this time last year would have been worse if Hatch had not taken a large share of the game snaps? Who's to say for sure, but one couldn't be faulted for thinking so.
I'll take 5-10 yards per completion with very limited interceptions, just as I would take 5-10 yards rushing per carry if we could get that. The key to making that work is to not have a bunch of stupid offensive penalties that make you have to go 20 yards for a first down. So far, the Tigers are also doing well on that front, but I too am still fond of seeing JR throw the ball 80 yds off his back foot on a rope to a streaking D Bowe for a long TD - problem is JR's arm will never show up here again more than likely, so I'm trying to get over it.
in summary..........
Posted on 9/21/09 at 7:17 pm to popeye12
Here ya go.... If JJ goes down (God forbid) in practice this week for the season, and, as you say, RS starts every game from here on out... we would be 5-7 as best with wins over Tulane and Tech. That's it. You would see 11 people in the box. You would see passing yds in the 70s and 80s. Unless our power running game soared to unheard of heights, this team would be over-achieving to go 2-7 for the rest of the season if JJ went down and RS had to start.
However, there is a nice thread going on right now that shows the overwhelming portion of fans think that both JJ and JL, our 3rd or 4th string QB according to you, would both lead this team to a 9-3 record this year.
However, there is a nice thread going on right now that shows the overwhelming portion of fans think that both JJ and JL, our 3rd or 4th string QB according to you, would both lead this team to a 9-3 record this year.
Posted on 9/21/09 at 7:18 pm to popeye12
quote:Wow...the stupidity level by some on this board is astounding.
Russell Sheppard is our backup and any qb duty that isn't JJ's should be Shep's imo
Posted on 9/21/09 at 7:24 pm to XbengalTiger
quote:
Russell Sheppard is our backup and any qb duty that isn't JJ's should be Shep's imo
Wow...the stupidity level by some on this board is astounding.
And people have the NERVE to BASH PJ!!!!!!
Posted on 9/21/09 at 7:31 pm to slackster
Personally, I don't think our problem on offense is the QB, at least not directly. I think we shuttle in too many players and don't give the unit a chance to gel at any point in the game. What I would love to see is two completely different packages, maybe even two different QB's, that utilize our vast array of skill players, but keep a unit intact for an entire series (or two or three) before changing them out.
Here's what I would do. I'd have JL be the QB for a unit that includes CS and KW running mainly from the I formation. The WR's are interchangeable within the units. Play action with this unit would provide JL with enough time in the pocket to find the open receivers (assuming his decision-making is better than last year) and of course the running game should be at its best with these two seniors in the backfield. You could always have a tight end in the game with this unit.
A second unit (not second string) would have JJ at QB running the spread option, using TH, KW at times, Shepard, and Dickson as well. This group would not use the traditional running formations, EVER, but would utilize speed in every facet of the game on every play.
I think the "gimmick" approach to using some of our skill players is disruptive to the offensive flow, too easy to read by the defenses, and generally not as productive as what I've outlined above.
I know, I'm not a highly paid OC, so what do I know. Does anybody remember how often the unit led by Mickey Guidry scored during the Hodson years? Sometimes a change of pace can work wonders if you give it more than one play to work.
No matter what, we have a young QB, and that will make for a bumpy ride.
Here's what I would do. I'd have JL be the QB for a unit that includes CS and KW running mainly from the I formation. The WR's are interchangeable within the units. Play action with this unit would provide JL with enough time in the pocket to find the open receivers (assuming his decision-making is better than last year) and of course the running game should be at its best with these two seniors in the backfield. You could always have a tight end in the game with this unit.
A second unit (not second string) would have JJ at QB running the spread option, using TH, KW at times, Shepard, and Dickson as well. This group would not use the traditional running formations, EVER, but would utilize speed in every facet of the game on every play.
I think the "gimmick" approach to using some of our skill players is disruptive to the offensive flow, too easy to read by the defenses, and generally not as productive as what I've outlined above.
I know, I'm not a highly paid OC, so what do I know. Does anybody remember how often the unit led by Mickey Guidry scored during the Hodson years? Sometimes a change of pace can work wonders if you give it more than one play to work.
No matter what, we have a young QB, and that will make for a bumpy ride.
Posted on 9/21/09 at 7:32 pm to XbengalTiger
quote:
JL was 4th string behind JJ, RS and CG and should never ever see the field again.
If Lee is the 4th QB why was he put in the game when Jefferson had the cramp? Just asking!
Posted on 9/21/09 at 7:41 pm to msutiger
(You really are going to get hit hard. Ill be the first to say I told you so.
What the hell are you some kind of psychic?
What the hell are you some kind of psychic?
Posted on 9/21/09 at 7:43 pm to GR CHAMP
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This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 9/21/09 at 7:46 pm to B C Tiger Fan
quote:That was my point. gotygers is the one that insisted all spring and summer that JL was 4th string.
If Lee is the 4th QB why was he put in the game when Jefferson had the cramp? Just asking!
Posted on 9/21/09 at 7:51 pm to XbengalTiger
Ahhhhh Sorry I missed your point but as you can see by my post count I'm not on here much.
Posted on 9/21/09 at 7:51 pm to msutiger
(I know Jefferson wont get it done at QB in SEC play)
" I KNOW " Is the reason you have no clue of what it takes to get any thing done!
" I KNOW " Is the reason you have no clue of what it takes to get any thing done!
This post was edited on 9/21/09 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 9/21/09 at 7:56 pm to msutiger
quote:
I know Jefferson wont get it done at QB in SEC play
How do you KNOW this......are you his coach? Have you ever played QB in the SEC or any place for that matter and really KNOW what it takes!
Posted on 9/21/09 at 7:57 pm to B C Tiger Fan
quote:
How do you KNOW this......are you his coach? Have you ever played QB in the SEC or any place for that matter and really KNOW what it takes!
I LOVE THE RANT!!!!!!!
Posted on 9/21/09 at 8:07 pm to dukke v
WOW!!! My first Much Thanks Dukke V
Much Thanks Dukke V Posted on 9/22/09 at 5:00 am to msutiger
quote:I have no horse in this argument (don't know, don't care), but you should realize that 11,000 posts doesn't prove anything about being a SlowFlow alter. He could do 11,000 posts in his sleep (I'm pretty sure that's how he does most of his anyway).
yeah an alter with almost 11k posts. Nice call
Posted on 9/22/09 at 8:06 am to Antonio Moss
quote:
They just didn't turn the ball over.
It is such a ridiculously important statistic.
Amen! The interceptions/turnovers last year cost us every game, but especially Georgia, Alabama and Arkansas.
Posted on 9/22/09 at 8:41 am to msutiger
quote:
You really are going to get hit hard. Ill be the first to say I told you so.
Which, of course, is the whole fricking point of those who feel the need to bitch about this team.
Well...good luck to you! Hopefully you'll get your wish, LSU will tank, and you'll get to tell us all how you called it.
Awesome...
Posted on 9/22/09 at 8:55 am to Antonio Moss
JJ and LSU, left after starting school and went to Washington 2300 miles, and played, in an hostile setting. Washington-off from school setting at home and practicing for LSU and LSU played better and JJ played better than Locker. Point is there's show horses , i.e. look good when playing weaker opponents and there's war horses i.e perform better when the going gets tough. JJ is a "Riveroad Warrior"
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