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re: No apology from SEC about hawkin's jersey being pulled on?
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:07 am to choupiquesushi
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:07 am to choupiquesushi
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ANYONE that played DB or watched the game without P&G glasses on....
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:10 am to choupiquesushi
Hawkins was clearly beaten with or without the jersey pull. He was looking in at the QB which is why in that situation they are taught NOT to do that. Having said that, the infraction was clearly there and I promise you that if a defender had done a similar thing to a WR that the field would turn yellow with flags.
There is a double standard on pass interference. You can get away with pushoffs many times or pulling jerseys by a WR while if the DB sneezes on the WR, he is flagged for pass interference or illegal contact.
There is a double standard on pass interference. You can get away with pushoffs many times or pulling jerseys by a WR while if the DB sneezes on the WR, he is flagged for pass interference or illegal contact.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:13 am to Tomm
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There is a double standard on pass interference. You can get away with pushoffs many times or pulling jerseys by a WR while if the DB sneezes on the WR, he is flagged for pass interference or illegal contact.
Not in college football he's not.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:13 am to SlyCorley98
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Did Riley pulling Hawkins' jersey cause Hawkins' legs to stop moving?
Think about pulling the chord on a light switch. That's kind of what happens on a play like that. First of all the hold was stout enough to halt his forward progress momentarily, then the brain tells him hey, they're going to flag him on that, by the time the instincts kick back in it's too late. If you were at the game you saw them run that flag route earlier and Riley could not shake Hawkins. Tebow wound up breaking contain on that play and picked up a few yards running. As for positioning, Hawkins had exactly what is taught; tight, inside on the hip. Unfortunatley that played into Riley's plan, putting him in reach for the hold.
This post was edited on 10/14/09 at 10:14 am
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:13 am to RANDY44
I disagree choupic.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:14 am to choupiquesushi
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Hawkins was toast on that play whether his jersey got grabbed or not.... either way we still lose 9-3
how do you figure? they are out of field goal range with offensive P.I. there. It would have been 3-3 at halftime and that completely changes the way the 2nd half is played IMO
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:15 am to JETigER
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Georgia still had a chance to keep LSU out of the endzone
LSU did NOT have a chance to keep Florida out of the endzone because Florida scored on the Play.
We had a whole 2nd half to get points on the board.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:15 am to horndog
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Why would u think the conference officials should apologize for the missed call?
because they missed the call, the same way they did last week and they apologized for that after not doing so in 2006
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:17 am to CharlesLSU
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I disagree choupic.
that's fine we are still cool....
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:18 am to TigerBait1127
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they are out of field goal range with offensive P.I. there.
It would have been 1st down from the 39 with 50 seconds. Plenty of time to get at least a FG.
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that completely changes the way the 2nd half is played IMO
So we would have moved the ball better in the 2nd half if the game was tied at halftime? Really?
This post was edited on 10/14/09 at 10:19 am
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:19 am to Tomm
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Hawkins was clearly beaten with or without the jersey pull. He was looking in at the QB which is why in that situation they are taught NOT to do that. Having said that, the infraction was clearly there and I promise you that if a defender had done a similar thing to a WR that the field would turn yellow with flags.
There is a double standard on pass interference. You can get away with pushoffs many times or pulling jerseys by a WR while if the DB sneezes on the WR, he is flagged for pass interference or illegal contact.
Wrong Tomm. Hawkins was playing head on swivel technique, which is taught in order to find the ball. He played exactly the same route in the same manner earlier and Tebow was forced to run do to tight coverage. Agree there is a measure of double-standard but that was a blatant hold and would have been called if seen. That back judge is probably sick about missing it, if for no other reason than the conference has been called to task over it by this time.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:19 am to choupiquesushi
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choupiquesushi
No apology from SEC about hawkin's jersey being pulled on?
ANYONE that played DB or coached DBs at a high level....
knows.... Hawkins was beat.. plain and simple.. he had bad position.. and WAS toast..
and there is something else pretty glaring on that play.. but. I'll save that for later
Could you like, possibly tell me how it mattered that Hawkins was "beat" if they had correctly called offensive pass interference? The play would have been called back and Florida penalized.
To those who say the game and/or outcome would not have been affected. How the *(^&$%^@@#$!@%!@$%^^&%^$%&# do you know?
If the penalty is called, ANY NUMBER of scenarios could have happened:
Florida scores a TD anyway.
Florida kicks a FG.
Florida misses a FG.
Florida gets a FG blocked by LSU.
LSU holds on downs.
LSU recovers a fumble.
LSU intercepts a pass.
LSU gains momentum and moves the ball, running some clock.
LSU gains momentum and moves the ball, kicking a FG or scoring a TD.
LSU gains momentum and moves the ball, and punts deep into Florida territory.
Etc, etc, etc.
One play can affect the next play which can affect the next play. No one knows what could have or would have happened, had the CORRECT call been made - OFFENSIVE PASS INTERFERENCE.
Similarly,
After LSU started off that one second half drive with 3 straight good runs by Scott, if we don't get 2 consectutive false starts, maybe Jefferson doesn't get sacked and we don't have to punt!
Maybe, Scott would have continued running downhill and we score or at least get into Florida territory on that drive!
Also, on our FG drive in the 1st half, instead of running up the middle on 3rd and goal from the 3 yard line, what if we had thrown a pass to Dickson on a fake pitchout, misdirection play? Or run a delayed QB draw with Jefferson?
No one knows how the complexion of a game can change and what would have or would not have happened if one or two plays would have been altered, or if CORRECT penalty would have been called.
The series of events would have been TOTALLY different.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:20 am to RANDY44
I'm gonna go ahead and guess that it was the field judge's responsibility.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:21 am to MetryTyger
metry.... if if was a fifth... we'd all be in a much better mood....
bottom line if cooper doesn't grab him - he still scores...
bad call yes... bad play by hawkins too..
bottom line if cooper doesn't grab him - he still scores...
bad call yes... bad play by hawkins too..
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:22 am to RANDY44
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then the brain tells him
Your reaching man. Give it a rest, Hawkins squated on the play and that gave Riley 5 yards of seperation.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:22 am to MetryTyger
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LSU gains momentum and moves the ball, running some clock.
LSU gains momentum and moves the ball, kicking a FG or scoring a TD.
LSU gains momentum and moves the ball, and punts deep into Florida territory.
Somehow, I don't see these things happening with a 1st down and 50 seconds on the clock, but that's just me.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:23 am to SlyCorley98
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Your reaching man. Give it a rest, Hawkins squated on the play and that gave Riley 5 yards of seperation.
with or without the tug....
bingeaux
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:23 am to choupiquesushi
Lil Nickie would have filled out the transfer papers for him right then and there.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:25 am to JustSmokin
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So we would have moved the ball better in the 2nd half if the game was tied at halftime? Really?
i'm not saying that we would have won the game because of it, because we didn't. It was still a huge blown call
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:29 am to choupiquesushi
Hawkins made a mistake on the TD play pure and simple. He either expected help or got caught napping as he looked in at the QB. The penalty ws there....good CB technique was not. All the psychological explanations about what a jersey pull does to the brain or some far fetched technique isn't the problem.
Bottom line: An offensive interference flag should have been thrown and Hawkins should have been mirroring his man, not peeking into the backfield. The result in the record book is a TD pass for Florida. Penalties or lack thereof have screwed LSU in the past such as the 2002? Auburn game. This was not the difference in the game by any stretch...Florida was clearly the better team.
Bottom line: An offensive interference flag should have been thrown and Hawkins should have been mirroring his man, not peeking into the backfield. The result in the record book is a TD pass for Florida. Penalties or lack thereof have screwed LSU in the past such as the 2002? Auburn game. This was not the difference in the game by any stretch...Florida was clearly the better team.
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