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re: No Respect for Les Miles
Posted on 4/17/13 at 9:43 am to LSU Groupee
Posted on 4/17/13 at 9:43 am to LSU Groupee
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Miles landed La talent from the start and won the west his first year.
Well to be fair in 07 we had more oos players than in state. But Katrina ravaged this state and misplaced plenty of potential d 1 players. We are still seeing that today with guys out of texas and georgia liking LSU, but moved due to katrina.
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Posted on 4/17/13 at 9:43 am to MarlinMan
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There's no reason that we shouldn't be top 3 nationally every year with the talent we have.
First of all, here's the win% rankings for all teams since Miles got to LSU:
1 Boise State 0.88571
2 Texas Christian 0.81553
3 Louisiana State 0.80189
4 Ohio State 0.80000
5 Oregon 0.78846
6 Florida 0.78302
7 Texas 0.76923
8 Oklahoma 0.76636
9 Virginia Tech 0.75000
10 West Virginia 0.74757
So, there's your #3 in the nation. Also the whole "talent we have in Louisiana" thing is played out. It's very position dependent. How many All-America QBs has Louisiana produced since 2005? How many #1 recruiting classes has LSU had?
Yes, there is good talent in Louisiana, but there are deficiencies. Yes, LSU gets good recruting classes, but not the best in the country. Just consistently good.
Good recruiting classes haven't always just appeared on LSU's doorstep, it takes a good coach to bring those classes in.
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...we got our asses handed to us in the Nat'l Champ. But as usual, with our Les Miles coached team, we came out for a lot of games unprepared, unfocused, and unenthusiastic.
Actually the game plan was the same that beat Bama in the first game, and the same plan that beat Arky at the end of the season, and the same game plan that beat UGA in the SECCG:
Run the ball right at them until the other team quits in the 4th quarter, play opportunistic defense and special teams.
Saban just shut it down and was able to line up equally talented and conditioned players.
So Miles wins 13 games with a particular game plan. THEN he goes to the BCSCG and suddenly he starts winging the ball all over the field against the #1 pass defense in the country - and proceeds to lose. Imagine the howling that would have come after THAT kind of game. "Why did he get away from what was working for him ALL season long???"
Miles is definitely a top ten coach natioanlly imo.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 9:46 am to MarlinMan
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We lost to two teams that we should've beat by two touchdowns easily, we gave away another gem to our biggest rival, and damn near lost to a 3-9 Auburn, played like shite against Towson, Ole Miss, and Arkansas.
We should have beat bama and UF by two TDS? Why? Those two programs porb are the only two in the sec that have more talent than LSU. We are closer in line with Auburn and UGA if you go by recruiting rankings.
We truly have dumb arse fans. Please explain why we should have beat bama and uf by two tds? If you say talent, you would be wrong, and besides we have talent because of miles. LSU does not recruit itself like people think. Sorry folks, baton rouge is a dump and our academics blow. The reason kids come here is because we win and pump players into the nfl. That has every thing to do with Les Miles, the staff he has hired, and the relationships he forms with these kids families.
This post was edited on 4/17/13 at 9:51 am
Posted on 4/17/13 at 10:04 am to TigerFanNKaty
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He made glaring errors in judgement in the Bama game this past year and botched the damn bowl game.
Yeah, he let Chavis play the famous prevent a win defense in both.
quote:
but this past year
You mean the year the starting offensive line was racked with injuries, the starting RB was lost three games in, LB'ers went out and we still lost the west and a shot at repeating the SEC title in the last minute of the Alabama?
Yeah, glaring errors.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 10:20 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
WildTchoupitoulas
But you kind of lost me here,
quote:
Miles is definitely a top ten coach natioanlly imo
So, I'll FIFY
quote:
Miles is definitely a top 3 or 4 coach natioanlly imo
Posted on 4/17/13 at 10:30 am to WackyChris
A lot of it has to do with the way the special people on ESPN portray Les to the rest of the country. I don't believe I've ever seen Fowler mention Les' name without a grin on his face.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 10:31 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Saban just shut it down and was able to line up equally talented and conditioned players.
I agree with your post, I just wanted to highlight this comment. In 2011, Alabama had more players on the All-Amercia team than LSU had on the All-SEC team. LSU only had ONE player on the preseason 1st team All-SEC team (Claiborne). The teams were not equally talented. Alabama had a massive talent advanatge, yet Miles beat Saban in Tuscaloosa.
This idea that LSU trots out these super talented teams and just tries to win without regard to coaching is absurd, given that LSU doesn't dominate the All-SEC teams.
ETA: Last year, LSU lost to Alabama on the road in the final seconds. Bama had more players on the All-SEC FIRST team (6) than LSU had on all three combined (5). LSU had three first teamers.
This post was edited on 4/17/13 at 10:38 am
Posted on 4/17/13 at 10:40 am to MarlinMan
quote:No they don't or they would have fired Saban after every season except 2009, which is the ONLY season he won all of them. They didn't fire him after he lost to ULM, they didn't fire him after he lost 3 of his first 5 games against Miles, they didn't fire him when he blew a 3 TD lead to Auburn and lost 3 games with a National Championship program, and they didn't fire him after he got blown out and embarrassed by Utah. Why? Because they are not the kind of fool who thinks that failing to win every game equals failure. They, like myself, Alleva and everyone else that understands competition, are smart enough to realize that in a competitive environment it is almost always impossible to win every game every year. Thus, they value coaches -- like Saban, Miles, Meyer, Calipari, Mainieri, Pitino, Bertman, etc. -- who can raise and/or keep programs to a level where they are close (like, say, 80%) to winning more than anyone else.
Me? I have the same mentality as the Alabama AD, Chancellor and Alumni.....I want to win them all every year.
quote:Nobody involved in this conversation. Not me, not Alleva, and certainly not Miles. Which is probably a big reason he's been winning more than that since he got here. You do realize that since the very first season Miles was at LSU, there has never been a moment when he hasn't won MORE than 10 games per season, don't you?
who the frick sets their goals to win 10 games?
The question is, what failure of knowledge led you to think someone was setting such a goal when it has been obvious from everything that no one here is? Have you simply not followed football very long, or do you just not know much about LSU or LSU football? Are you a little lacking in reasoning skills such that you couldn't figure out that we've been doing better than that? Is your reading a bit deficient so that you haven't been able to follow the stories of Coach Miles and the teams?
Whatever the problem is, I'm hoping you can get it resolved. Because when you gain the ability to understand what's been going on with LSU football since Coach Miles got here, it's a blast (assuming you're an LSU fan, of course).
Posted on 4/17/13 at 10:45 am to TigerFanNKaty
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The lack of respect is directly from the 2011 NC game and his over the last few years head scratching game time decisions. He made glaring errors in judgement in the Bama game this past year and botched the damn bowl game.
You mean he "botched" the 2012 regular season game vs Bama the same way Saban "botched" the regular season 2011 game?
With that in mind, what makes Saban's "botching" better? The fact that he got a do-over and made good on it?
What is fair about that, and why is Saban's expectation lower?
PS - The Bowl Game (Peach Bowl) was meaningless. Had our QB been able to complete a pass most HS QBs could complete, you'd have no reason to bitch.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 10:50 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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1 Boise State 0.88571 2 Texas Christian 0.81553 3 Louisiana State 0.80189 4 Ohio State 0.80000 5 Oregon 0.78846 6 Florida 0.78302 7 Texas 0.76923 8 Oklahoma 0.76636 9 Virginia Tech 0.75000 10 West Virginia 0.74757
These are great numbers.
Now, to take this up a notch:
Compare the schedules of the two teams above LSU during this time span. Hell, compare it to the entire top ten.
Not to mention LSU has beaten several of the teams in this list during that time span.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 10:53 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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He made glaring errors in judgement in the Bama game this past year and botched the damn bowl game.
Yeah, I like that one too.
He tried to run for the 1st down to ice the game against Bama. "Why was he trying to RUN the ball????!!1!"
He tried to pass for the 1st down to ice the game against Clemson. "Why was he trying to PASS the ball????!!1!"
Posted on 4/17/13 at 11:12 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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WildTchoupitoulas
Interesting you and I find something we agree on.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 11:15 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Compare the schedules of the two teams above LSU during this time span. Hell, compare it to the entire top ten.
Yep, #1 win% of all BCS schools - achieved playing in the SEC.
And as far as "10-win seasons" goes, forget about winning 10 games, look at win% for LSU during their time in the SEC to when Miles took over, 63.5% compared to Miles' 80.2%.
Comparing 80.2 win% for 10, 11 and 12 game regular seasons:
13 games * 80.2% = 10.4 wins (2001-2012, 12 game reg. seasons)
12 games * 80.2% = 9.6 wins (1970-2000, 11 game reg. seasons)
11 games * 80.2% = 8.8 wins (1933-1969, 10 game reg. seasons)
One more comparison, Bear Bryant had a career win% of 78%.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 11:17 am to TigerFanNKaty
quote:How do you "overtake" someone who is so clearly behind you? Ole Miss hasn't beaten us in three years, is 2-8 against us the last decade, and has only finished ahead of us in the West once this millennium.
can he overtake the momentum aTm and even Ole Piss have started
And the Aggies have never finished ahead of us and haven't beaten us since before Johnny Football was in kindergarten.
quote:We were second in the West, behind the team that had to come back in the last minute to beat us and then went on to win the SEC and National Championship Games. The year before that, we won the West and the SEC and were in the National Championship Game; and the team that beat us to win that National Championship, we had already beaten on the road. The year before that, we again finished 2nd in the West behind, again, the National Champion who beat us by just a TD on their own field. It's been 4 years since we've finished worse than 2nd in the West, and every team that's finished ahead of us has been the National Champion. In Miles' 8 years at LSU, we've been 1st or 2nd in the West all but two seasons (and one of those was thanks to the BS pass interference no-call game at Auburn in '06). Bama has finished in the bottom half of the West as many times in Saban's 6 years as LSU has finished less than 2nd in Miles' 8 years. In no rational universe are we not a contender.
reassert LSU and a contender.
This, imo, is a big reason why there exists this perception about Miles. The most available portion of our own fanbase (i.e., internet rantards) are so deluded by their own insecurities that they project an image of immense failure in situations of immense success. This guy actually views us as behind these programs who are, at best, struggling to catch up to us, and he doesn't even consider us a contender. And people like him and sites like this are the perception of LSU fans most readily available to pundits and the media. That's why this perception of Miles exists.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 11:23 am to WackyChris
I will try to be as unbiased as possible...
Now, as much as i hate the guy, Nick Saban is the #1 coach in the SEC/nation. That is not debatable. Now i can possibly see an arguement for steve spurrior, he is a great coach. Richt is another pretty good coach, but compared to Les, Les will have to say anything you can do i can do better. There is no way Richt is better than Les,PERIOD. Now to put frankline, Sumlin, and Mullins ahead of Les
I dont understand, you have 1 winning season and all of a sudden youre an elite coach, will somebody please help me with this logic because im just lost
Now, as much as i hate the guy, Nick Saban is the #1 coach in the SEC/nation. That is not debatable. Now i can possibly see an arguement for steve spurrior, he is a great coach. Richt is another pretty good coach, but compared to Les, Les will have to say anything you can do i can do better. There is no way Richt is better than Les,PERIOD. Now to put frankline, Sumlin, and Mullins ahead of Les
I dont understand, you have 1 winning season and all of a sudden youre an elite coach, will somebody please help me with this logic because im just lost
Posted on 4/17/13 at 11:32 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Interesting you and I find something we agree on.
I'm sure there's a LOT we agree on, I just seldom like to sit around and agree with people. I prefer to find those points of contention and then start ranting from there.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 12:24 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
Peach Bowl where was Hill in the 4th. 2nd and 2. Yes if Mett makes the throw it's a great call, but he didn't. I can't stand Saban hate everything about him, you won't see me here pumping his arse, all I said is I have lost confidence in Mile's game day thought process.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 12:51 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Yeah, I like that one too.
He tried to run for the 1st down to ice the game against Bama. "Why was he trying to RUN the ball????!!1!"
He tried to pass for the 1st down to ice the game against Clemson. "Why was he trying to PASS the ball????!!1!"
This is a nonsense argument. There is no paradox or contradiction whatsoever. A good gameday coach has the ability to assess the comparative strengths of the two teams on the field and adjust his playcalling accordingly. Alabama had one of the most formidable defensive lines in the country and loaded the box on the pivotal plays during LSU's final drive. Hence, misdirection passing would have been an appropriate adaptation. Conversely, the LSU offensive line enjoyed a significant advantage over Clemson's defensive line, as evidenced by Hill's success. Accordingly, power running would have been the optimal playcall on second/third and short. Instead of perceiving the comparative advantages and disadvantages of the teams and acting accordingly, Miles (or his offensive staff) ran directly into Bama's defensive strength and failed to convert, then inexplicably eschewed running into Clemson's defensive weakness - and again failed to convert.
There is nothing even remotely inconsistent about criticizing both of those calls. Both are the manifestation of the same short-coming: namely, an apparent inability by the offensive staff to evaluate comparative advantages and exploit mismatches.
It is stupid beyond all reckoning to conclude that there is one universal strategy that is always preferable in late game situations, as if a team should ALWAYS run or ALWAYS pass. The right call is situational and depends on the comparative attributes of the two foes. In this case, LSU's staff chose incorrectly both times, as proven by the fact that in neither case did we actually achieve the first down that would have won the game.
This post was edited on 4/17/13 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 4/17/13 at 12:53 pm to Sheetbend
quote:Dead on. Dinardo got some top LA talent to start comin to LSU, but Saban started locking them all up along with cherry pickin talent from surrounding states. That started the juggernaut and Mile's has kept it going, but tards don't understand logic like this.
Saban was the first coach to put a fence around your in- state talent. Before that, all the other perrenial powers would cherry pick the best Louisiana High School talent while LSU got the leftovers.
This post was edited on 4/17/13 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 4/17/13 at 1:02 pm to Baloo
quote:Assinine statement of the year so for.
The teams were not equally talented. Alabama had a massive talent advanatge, yet Miles beat Saban in Tuscaloosa
This post was edited on 4/17/13 at 1:05 pm
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