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Posted on 7/27/16 at 2:32 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
I think Harris will be much better this year. It's hard to be successful when everyone knows you are going to throw the ball. Its also hard to be successful when you surprise everyone and throw the ball out of a 2 TE set. I know I'm in the minority about Harris but I really believe he will have a great year. He has weapons at every position. He just needs to be put in a situation to be successful in my opinion. 
Posted on 7/27/16 at 2:50 pm to TheCaterpillar
alttiger just had a stroke
Posted on 7/27/16 at 2:52 pm to TheCaterpillar
Flynn (RS Sr) 202/359 - 56.3% -2407 yds -6.7ypa -21TD - 11 INT - 125.8 RAT - BCS Champ MVP
78 att 3yrs prior to 2007, with 20+ of those coming from Peach '05.
#Gotta have game reps to develop QBs!!!!
78 att 3yrs prior to 2007, with 20+ of those coming from Peach '05.
#Gotta have game reps to develop QBs!!!!
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:06 pm to Tigers_Saints
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alttiger just had a stroke
Naw, I'm still conscious over here in Georgia.
I've never said that QBs don't improve with experience. Of course they can, and most often, they do.
My argument is simply that first year starting QBs can be very successful. We see examples all over the country every year. Of course, this requires a combination of talent and coaching - including using the right scheme to fit the QB's skill set, play-calling to use those skills and get the ball in other playmakers hands to best allow them to make plays, and player development.
Sure, the majority of first-year starters don't light it up, but it happens more than enough for me to shake my head when we use the near-constant excuse.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:12 pm to atltiger6487
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My argument is simply that first year starting QBs can be very successful.
Sure, they CAN.
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Sure, the majority of first-year starters don't light it up
Yes. Then why do you...
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shake my head when we use the near-constant excuse.
You basically admit it's a legitimate excuse rooted in years of evidence but you still shake your head at it? I don't understand.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:15 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Hopefully this will relax some folks about our QB play this year
You are kidding, right? The nut jobs calling out Harris act like they never heard of a QB getting better the longer he is in a program. They think the expectations should be the same if you are a RS Junior starting for the first time or a true sophomore starting for the first time.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:16 pm to TheCaterpillar
WE GOIN TO THA 'SHIP
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:23 pm to atltiger6487
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Sure, the majority of first-year starters don't light it up, but it happens more than enough for me to shake my head when we use the near-constant excuse.
Except you go a lot further than that and call it an excuse when it isn't used as such.
But hey, there are guys that play well in their first year starting. That means you shouldn't even bring up that Harris was a first year starter and QBs tend to show growth from year to year. That isn't an excuse, that is just logical thought.
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:29 pm to lsu2006
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You basically admit it's a legitimate excuse rooted in years of evidence but you still shake your head at it? I don't understand.
Because many teams (although not the majority) are able to get productive play from first-year starters. I'd think, with our elite recruiting and highly-paid coaching staff, we should be as able as any other team to do the same.
Hell, if Bama can get productive play from the likes of Greg McElroy, Blake Sims, AJ McCarron, and Jake Coker, we should be able to also. Auburn did it with Nick Marshall and Cam, and Ole Miss did it with Chad Kelly and Bo Wallace, and Ohio State did it with JT Barrett AND Cardale Jones, and UCLA did it with Josh Rosen and Brett Hundley, and Clemson did it with Deshaun Watson, and ND did it with DeShone Kizer, and Baylor did it with Jarrett Stidham, etc, etc, etc. These are all off the top of my head. And I left off Tebow, Manziel and Jameis, because you'd just call them outliers. If I did any real research, there would be many others.
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:31 pm to atltiger6487
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Because many teams (although not the majority) are able to get productive play from first-year starters.
Very, very, very few teams get good years in the SEC out of first year starting, underclassmen QBs.
Its rare.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:34 pm to TheCaterpillar
The problem isn't the stats. He gets a boost there from all the go routes we connected on. The problem was the complete absence of any intermediate passing game.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:35 pm to atltiger6487
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Hell, if Bama can get productive play from the likes of Greg McElroy, Blake Sims, AJ McCarron, and Jake Coker
How'd these guys do as underclassmen?
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:35 pm to TheCaterpillar
Completion percentage has haunted every LSU qb since 2007 (outside of Mett).
LSU won't win championships again till they can complete short passes consistently on 3 and 6.
LSU won't win championships again till they can complete short passes consistently on 3 and 6.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:36 pm to baobabtiger
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LSU won't win championships again till they can complete short passes consistently on 3 and 6.
I have no idea what the stats are, but I feel like we barely ATTEMPT high percentage short passes anymore. The Jimbo screen!
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:38 pm to atltiger6487
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Greg McElroy, Blake Sims, AJ McCarron, and Jake Coker
3/4 seniors
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Nick Marshall and Cam
Seniors
as junior, Nick played but was no better than B Harris
142/239 - 59.4% - 1976 yards - 8.3 y/a - 14 TDs - 6 INTs - 143.2 QBR
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Ole Miss did it with Chad Kelly and Bo Wallace
Upperclassmen (Bo threw 17 INTs as a true sophomore and they went 7-6)
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:40 pm to atltiger6487
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Greg McElroy
Redshirt Junior
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Blake Sims
Senior
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AJ McCarron
Redshirt Sophomore
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Jake Coker
Redshirt Senior
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Auburn did it with Nick Marshall
Junior
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Cam
Senior and maybe the most gifted player ever
K
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because you'd just call them outliers.
No one has said they don't exist, just that they are rare:
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Sure, the majority of first-year starters don't light it up,
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:40 pm to atltiger6487
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If I did any real research, there would be many others.
Cool. And they'd still all be exceptions to the rule. Not really sure what we're arguing about, to be honest.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:43 pm to atltiger6487
We need to use Harris as a threat to run also. This should improve the offensive passing numbers especially on fakes. Pass protection in Nov. need to get better. We don't have an offense that gets the ball out in a quick fashion on every play. Maybe we should adjust this and apply it to just get the ball out faster. Not on every drive but the first drive for sure. Execution needs to be better on offense. ST also contributes to offensive number so that needs to improve also. If we put it all together this year could be very special season. With Craig and Aranda who knows how we respond?? I think positive myself. We will be a much improved team. GT
Posted on 7/27/16 at 3:47 pm to BayouBengal99
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Pass protection in Nov. need to get better.
Just about everything in our passing game needs to improve but it all starts with the pass blocking IMHO
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