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re: "Penn State played on the same field."
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:44 pm to moneyg
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:44 pm to moneyg
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No, he's right. The gap closes and there is less of an advantage. If you don't see this, go run on sand.
Usain Bolt would beat me by more in a Sand Race than he would in a normal field race. Wanna know why? Cuz I am a slow clumsy white guy who would fall down WAY more than someone with superior athleticism.
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Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:48 pm to LSUfan4444
LSUfan4444, do u watch NASCAR?
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:49 pm to udtiger
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DING!
It became primarily a ground/ball control game (with the exception of the lone TD pass by PSU), which was clearly to Penn State's advantage.
If that's what makes you feel better about the game, go for it. For the rest of us, it was two teams on the same field. No difference whatsoever.
If LSU had a speed advantage, which I don't think they really did except for Holliday, the mud still wouldn't have made all players magically the same speed.
This post was edited on 1/3/10 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:49 pm to coldhotwings
not religiously, but i have
and i think i know where youre going with this
and i think i know where youre going with this
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:49 pm to coldhotwings
not religiously, but i have
and i think i know where youre going with this
and i think i know where youre going with this
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:49 pm to RedHawk
The condition of the field most diff played to Penn's stregth and agaisnt ours. Nothing to debate here, its a fact. When you cant make cuts and speed is negated, you arent going to rush the edges (with consistency) which is the only effective point of attack LSU has on the ground really.
Naturally Penn is a power running football team so not reallying on speed to the edges didnt hurt them one bit............they run right at you.
About the only positive that worked in our favor was that the field condition might have actually helped us in pass protection.
Naturally Penn is a power running football team so not reallying on speed to the edges didnt hurt them one bit............they run right at you.
About the only positive that worked in our favor was that the field condition might have actually helped us in pass protection.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:53 pm to LSUfan4444
I don't really follow racing but I'm just using it as an example.
Do you think a formula one driver would have an advantage over a NASCAR driver on a curvy track if both were given the same car and equipment?
Do you think a formula one driver would have an advantage over a NASCAR driver on a curvy track if both were given the same car and equipment?
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:54 pm to McChowder
The field made the ball wet. Both teams had a lot of dropped passes and INTs, but the difference is PSU could run the ball a little bit. And PP said somewhere his ability to cut was compromised and thats why he played so soft.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:56 pm to McChowder
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McChowder
you do realize that pass rush and LSU's gond game have been horrible all year, in every condition they played in right
it isn't like they had been effective and neutralized on the sloppy field, they have been piss poor all season long
its like putting 20lb weight on my ankle and saying it negating my strength in a dunk contest
both teams struggled moving the ball, but penn st converted 3rd don after 3rd down and LSU didn't
it was exactly how lsu's season went or most of the year. get outgained, and somehow, still be in it at the end
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:57 pm to McChowder
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The condition of the field most diff played to Penn's stregth and agaisnt ours. Nothing to debate here, its a fact. When you cant make cuts and speed is negated, you arent going to rush the edges (with consistency) which is the only effective point of attack LSU has on the ground really.
Naturally Penn is a power running football team so not reallying on speed to the edges didnt hurt them one bit............they run right at you.
About the only positive that worked in our favor was that the field condition might have actually helped us in pass protection.
One game commentator said it best before the start of the game. He said the conditions will be much harder on the receivers b/c they will have to come back to the ball. Well Penn State had the better running game going into the ballgame.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:58 pm to coldhotwings
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Do you think a formula one driver would have an advantage over a NASCAR driver on a curvy track if both were given the same car and equipment?
yeah but thats more experience than conditions, and it would depend on the equipment etc
i am not saying the conditions helped LSU by any means, but i just can't see how anyone can sit here and think they would have seen something different from LSU (against one of the better defenses they played all year) tat they didn't see all year
what we saw from LSU on 1/1, was what we saw all year
LSU is just an inconsistent offensive football team with below average qb play, a weak offensive line, inconstant play at wr and no real leadership. it was for most of the season and it was on friday
This post was edited on 1/3/10 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:00 pm to LSUfan4444
for all I know PSU may have won by a bigger margin on a better field, but I don't think anyone can say the conditions didn't affect the game. It was a joke, and for the most part, I think it was a throw away game.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:00 pm to LSUfan4444
How true. How did the STAFF improve the players as the year went on?
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:01 pm to biglego
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The field made the ball wet. Both teams had a lot of dropped passes and INTs, but the difference is PSU could run the ball a little bit. And PP said somewhere his ability to cut was compromised and thats why he played so soft.
Yep.
I guess I'll never understand the play calling. We cant run up the gut against mediocre teams on dry fields, why the hell does crowton think we could do it against a good rush defense like penn st in the mud? I was expecting short completions and wheel routes with a margin of 2/1 passing over rush. I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER.
Even with the drops and wet ball, throwing it was our only shot. Anyway, back to the main point. LSU had the disadvantage, but it wasnt the field condition that did us in. Not even close.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:02 pm to LSUfan4444
Those conditions favored a heavy run game which is something LSU is incapable of due to run blocking and lack of personnel. If the game had been on dry turf, it would have been less of a penalty on the team that runs poorly.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:05 pm to LSUfan4444
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you do realize that pass rush and LSU's gond game have been horrible all year, in every condition they played in right
it isn't like they had been effective and neutralized on the sloppy field, they have been piss poor all season long
its like putting 20lb weight on my ankle and saying it negating my strength in a dunk contest
Sorry if I miss typed that if I did but I meant LSU's pass protection. The wet field condition and mud helped our pass protection greatly.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:07 pm to coldhotwings
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If the game had been on dry turf, it would have been less of a penalty on the team that runs poorly.
so, the slop conditions hurt the advantage LSU had in speed, BUT also hurt the tigers deficiency in the run game???
is your stance that the field conditions hurt the team with the advantage or disadvantage in an area.....before you answer, think about it.
was LSU ever going to able to run the ball on penn st? what does our offense do (or did in 2009) that we couldn't do on friday? how was LSU taken out of our game, and somehow less likely to stop penn state b/c of a muddy field? if we were less likely to sop them, it should have helped our run game.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:08 pm to McChowder
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I guess I'll never understand the play calling. We cant run up the gut against mediocre teams on dry fields, why the hell does crowton think we could do it against a good rush defense like penn st in the mud? I was expecting short completions and wheel routes with a margin of 2/1 passing over rush. I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER.
Can't completely abandon the run. Would u be comfortable with JJ throwing the ball 10 consecutive times while Penn State dials up the blitz?
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:08 pm to LSUfan4444
We didn't necessarily find out who the better team was under those conditions. You won't see those conditions again in the next thousand bowl games.
How about we put life jackets on both teams and try it again in an Olympic size swimming pool.
You're saying normal playing field, same result, the field played no part in the outcome.
Why do racing forms have the track conditions when giving previous results?
How about we put life jackets on both teams and try it again in an Olympic size swimming pool.
You're saying normal playing field, same result, the field played no part in the outcome.
Why do racing forms have the track conditions when giving previous results?
Posted on 1/3/10 at 10:09 pm to coldhotwings
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Those conditions favored a heavy run game which is something LSU is incapable of due to run blocking and lack of personnel. If the game had been on dry turf, it would have been less of a penalty on the team that runs poorly.
If the game would have been on dry ground, PSU may have destroyed LSU. Their recievers, who...BTW their QB throws to in stride had trouble making cuts as well resulting in numerous horrible throws. Plus, the ground neutralized Clark running
My guess is that PSU runs away with this thing. LSU would never have scored more than 24 points regardless of field conditions. Hell, LSU barely scored 30 on mid majors.
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