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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:25 pm to
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:25 pm to
It seriously has nothing to do with the surgery itself. If the rehab doesn’t go well or the feel for pitching doesn’t return, there will be issues. But it’s more likely for a player to come back stronger if he’s patient and follows the plan (which can be tough for a college player).
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:25 pm to
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You’re severely underrating him.



You’re definitely overrating him more than I’m underrating

Not hating on him. We will be stacked. We’re going to need power arms to win
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:26 pm to
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As a RHP with average velocity, it’s hard to be as good as he was on a year to year basis. Just has less wiggle room for mistakes.


Walker had pin point precision last year. He throws like Dallas Keuchel sure he might top out at 89 but 89 with movement on the corner is a whole hell of a lot harder than 95 at the knees over the plate.

I'd rather rely on movement and control than a flame thrower any day.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:32 pm to
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This sounds like a bigger problem for Hilliard than Walker. One is more likely to have control over the other.



Hilliard spin rate on FB presents a faster looking ball then what the gun reads. & we all know about the spin rate on his hook. Still, like Walker he isn’t a sure thing.

Try and think back of all the average velo righties that have had sustained success over 3-4 years,

Not bragging but I watch a ton of baseball at all levels. Patterns show it’s hard to sustain that type of success. For every Kyle Hendricks there are 10 righties that throw 88 & have short bursts of success but fizzle out. Maybe Walker is that Hendricks but chances are he’s more of just a serviceable type pitcher, which isn’t bad. But he isn’t Alex Lange & was never almost as good as Lange at any point
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:34 pm to
We need to develop a consistent 4th starter in the midweek games and stop this Johnny Wholestaff BS.
Posted by docTQ4
Atlanta GA
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:34 pm to
I know you’re talking to Ell, and I get what you’re saying and actually agree for the most part. But when you have elite accuracy and can consistently miss a barrel, you will have at least moderate continued success. You will always be in a ball game with that kind of a guy on the mound.
Posted by snackpack
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:34 pm to
We’ll have plenty of options for a fourth starter next season
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:35 pm to
I don't think Walker is your Friday night guy but he is your Poche. He is your upperclassmen leader who bulldogs it out I think. I think he pitches Saturday's. Marceaux is going to take another spot. And I agree i think we need a power arm somewhere in there so that leaves Hilliard outside looking in.

I could see Storz taking Friday.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:35 pm to
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Walker had pin point precision last year. He throws like Dallas Keuchel sure he might top out at 89 but 89 with movement on the corner is a whole hell of a lot harder than 95 at the knees over the plate.


Guys who have had TJ surgery have added 3-5 mph on their fastball on average if they make it back.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:35 pm to
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He throws like Dallas Keuchel sure he might top out at 89 but 89 with movement on the corner is a whole hell of a lot harder than 95 at the knees over the plate.



Lefties are a different breed that can get away with that. Even so, take Dallas for example. Keuchel went from winning a cy young to have a 4.55 ERA the next year. His ERA has been as high as 5.27 & as low as 2.48 in a season. That isn't consistent.

Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87491 posts
Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:36 pm to
Without a lefty starter, I love the slower, spot guy that was a Walker. I’m hoping he can come back to his old self (duh) and I think he’s got a better shot than Hilliard. Hilliar was successful because movement not location. I think that’s way less sustainable for a sub 90 pitcher.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:36 pm to
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Lefties are a different breed that can get away with that.
Cotton
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:37 pm to
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Lefties are a different breed that can get away with that. Even so, take Dallas for example. Keuchel went from winning a cy young to have a 4.55 ERA the next year. His ERA has been as high as 5.27 & as low as 2.48 in a season. That isn't consistent.



Fair enough point there.
Posted by TheBear60
Member since Aug 2017
513 posts
Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:37 pm to
Don't want to be Debbie Downer like many on this site, but if you expect our top four to be Storz, Walker, Hillard & Labas, the common thread is that they all ended this season on the shelf one way or another. Let's see them come back before we punch any tickets for next year. I believe, but lets not be too pie in the sky.
Posted by docTQ4
Atlanta GA
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:38 pm to
That is indeed inconsistent. Can’t argue with that.
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:38 pm to
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Lefties are a different breed that can get away with that.
Cotton


Wut?
Posted by Adam4848
LA
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:38 pm to
If Marceaux sticks he could be a Friday guy.

Jaden Hill is the one with the most upside in 2-3 years kid is going to be a superstar.

I like Marceaux and Walker as starters because they’re inning eaters...save the Hess, Storz, Fontenot type arms for the long relief and closer roles.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87491 posts
Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:39 pm to
Chris Cotton. A slow lefty who couldn’t crack 86.
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:39 pm to
Marceaux is going to be one of our very best arms next year
Posted by docTQ4
Atlanta GA
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 9:39 pm to
Hill will be good. I think he needs a little refining but the 2nd half of the season, he could be something else.
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