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re: Roy King Fired
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:24 pm to Jet12
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:24 pm to Jet12
Sounds like the School of Music has turned into a cluster. They forget what horse drives their cart? It isn't symphonic bands, contrary to what the music school literati think. When I was there it was Frank's baby and he let the university know it. When he hired Linda, you could feel the turn for voluntary music participation students(non music school) going from a spirited volunteer, to a job. Not surprised the school ran her over like a bus at all. Don't know Roy, but I remember when these stipends 1st got started in mid 80's- every band member was paid equally. If they were music school students they may have gotten more but it was SOM scholarships, not Athletic Dept. funds through Tiger Band. Somewhere between Frank and now that money's had larger allocations towards SOM students from what I read here. And now the SOM wants control. I wonder why and who set that precedent.
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:30 pm to Thorny
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Roy not only controlled the stipend money that every member of Tiger Band received, he also controlled the full scholarships that the Band used to recruit top high school musicians who were interested in playing in Tiger Band. These scholarships also include requirements for those musicians to participate in other wind ensembles within the SOM (Wind Ensemble, Symphonic Winds, or Symphonic Band).
Partially true. Some students' scholarships specify that they have to participate in a concert ensemble(which might be specified according to the needs of the program, but often is not), and others are not required to participate in a concert ensemble.
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Now, all of those ensembles were under the control of Frank Wickes, since he was Director of Bands. So, he routinely used the scholarships to bring in the top talent that built the LSU Wind Ensemble into one of the best in the country. However, when Wickes retired, the SOM restructured the Tiger Band job away from being the Director of Bands. This change is related to why Moorhouse left; she was not being given the same scope of responsibilities that Wickes was given.
Frank did indeed do this. When he retired, the athletic department specified that this would no longer be allowed. Roy was told that students receiving scholarships funded by the athletic department were required to participate in Tiger Band.
One of the issues involved with the "back story" here is that the SOM basically would like to use the Tiger Band scholarship money to fund students who are not in Tiger Band. If Roy allowed this with money that has been entrusted to him by the athletic department, he would be violating a clear policy directive from that department.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:38 pm to Jet12
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majors aren't exactly upset that he's out.
Honestly, that would be understandable based on the way things are now because of the divided loyalties at odds with each other. It didn't used to be that way. In fact, if you look at the support group on Facebook, a large percentage of the people defending Roy on there were music majors in years past.
My senior year was 1996-97, which was Roy's first year back as a grad student. I was in the drum line, and he was put in charge of us. There were many seniors that year, and one guy who had been in for like 6 years. The 2 captains wrote all the charts, and we were a pretty self motivated bunch, and at least 10 of us were music majors.
It would have been REALLY easy for him to come in and screw that up. I know that because the only music job I was ever fired from was teaching a line that had 11 seniors out of 18 players. They said they wanted to be pushed, but didn't think to much of it when I had them doing push-ups and running laps when they goofed off or didn't know their business. I was just out of school and didn't know better, so I doubled down when they complained, and they and their parents went to the band director and had me fired.
With that said, I have a TON of respect for Roy with the way he handled us. He let us handle ourselves for the most part. He stood up for us when necessary, helped us get drill down, was there for all of our section rehearsals and helped, but was smart enough to know when to step back and let us do for ourselves. He kept us in line when necessary, but did a really good job of leading with the right style to fit our group. He won us over pretty quickly, and I just have a lot of respect for the way he came in and lead without throwing weight around demanding instant respect. He earned our respect. Having messed up a similar situation, I know taking that approach is not easy or natural for most.
I've seen several people who were music majors at the same time I was, including several who were in the drum line, coming out in support of Roy. Like I said, the divide that seems to be there now didn't used to be.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:47 pm to misey94
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Honestly, that would be understandable based on the way things are now because of the divided loyalties at odds with each other. It didn't used to be that way. In fact, if you look at the support group on Facebook, a large percentage of the people defending Roy on there were music majors in years past.
Yep. That's been the feeling for a few years now. A lot of people in SoM administration and faculty have had some disdain towards Tiger Band, including several professors I'm aware of that wouldn't disallow participating in it outright, but still largely discouraged it.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 4:04 pm to Jet12
Roy King now has a gofundme page. GTFO. He made 90k last year.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 4:26 pm to TthomasJR
He didn't set that up, dumbass. A well-meaning former-student did. She published the link on Facebook. Try a little research next time.
Idiots all over this damn board. Idiots.
Idiots all over this damn board. Idiots.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 4:29 pm to Jet12
School of music types at any college hate the big group that gets all the publicity and money because they feel like they're more talented and should get all the money and resources. At Centenary many in the school of music have disdain towards the Centenary College Choir because they feel like their choirs are better and more taleneted but they don't get any money and don't get to travel all over the world. Just like Tiger Band the Choir built up a reputation for being an ambassador for the school and that's why they get all the money and publicity. It's tough being King, babe.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 4:40 pm to misey94
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He didn't set that up, dumbass. A well-meaning former-student did. She published the link on Facebook. Try a little research next time.
Idiots all over this damn board. Idiots.
Did I say anywhere in my comment that HE set it up???
The answer is "no".
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Try a little research next time.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 4:53 pm to TthomasJR
"Roy King HAS a GoFundMe page..." Has is an indication of ownership. Your implication that he's somehow behind it seems pretty clear to me.
If some people want to give the man money, what's it to you? 90k or 25k, things go sideways fast for most people when their income stops cold. I know it would for me.
If some people want to give the man money, what's it to you? 90k or 25k, things go sideways fast for most people when their income stops cold. I know it would for me.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 4:59 pm to misey94
No indication of ownership at all actually. I know the person who set it up. I honestly like Roy a lot, but there have been rumors of Roy being let go/fired for years now. So I doubt this was as blind a hit as most think.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 5:03 pm to TthomasJR
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I know the person who set it up.
On a scale of 1 to selfie stick how crazy is she?
Posted on 4/20/16 at 5:05 pm to The Boat
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On a scale of 1 to selfie stick how crazy is she?
On that scale, she would take normal photos with a selfie stick.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 5:06 pm to lsufan251875
Hahahaha.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 5:11 pm to Jet12
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friends
Posted on 4/20/16 at 5:21 pm to The Boat
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friends
Female, you butthead.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 5:25 pm to TthomasJR
That girl looks sweet and all but she's really a little too into this.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 11:26 am to Jet12
I would be pissed, too, if I were a music major and auditioned for Linda and Frank's ensemble, made it, and then was forced to do Roy band or else lose my scholarship. Making the highest band as a flutist (and other musicians) would have been the culmination and reward for 10+ years of hard work, private lessons, practicing several hours daily, etc, only to be told you gotta be in the lesser of the three or risk losing scholarship. That's backwards and if it was really happening then I can see why there were issues.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 11:31 am to Jet12
You can just say Dr. Kemler's name. 
I took from her my senior year of HS (four hour round trip twice a month) after taking from Dr. Lowey @ ULL, and when I told her I decided to attend LSU/would be auditioning for TB everything changed. Still liked her but most of the professors of woodwind instruments didn't really like their students doing TB. All the flute performance majors would only be allowed to participate their first year, if they did it at all.
I took from her my senior year of HS (four hour round trip twice a month) after taking from Dr. Lowey @ ULL, and when I told her I decided to attend LSU/would be auditioning for TB everything changed. Still liked her but most of the professors of woodwind instruments didn't really like their students doing TB. All the flute performance majors would only be allowed to participate their first year, if they did it at all.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 11:41 am to TigerCard
For everyone complaining about the GOFUND page, how is it any different than Hokie Gajan supporters setting up a fund for him. Gajan had a NFL career with a pension and worked for Saints for a long time, he couldn't have been that desperate either.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 12:07 pm to nicholastiger
Cancer treatment and the associated debility is extremely expensive, even for those who are financially stable and have health insurance. Not at all the same thing.
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