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re: Simplified Offense
Posted on 9/21/10 at 11:29 am to MightyYat
Posted on 9/21/10 at 11:29 am to MightyYat
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Dude, get off the screen pass shite. That's not what is holding this offense back.
Not just a screen pass. If we can't get the ball to our athletes in space, the offense will stall as it has. Stretching the field on plays like that will open the middle for Randle, Tolliver, etc. You know this. Don't be ignorant to try and excuse Jefferson being awful.
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 11:35 am to jackson123
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Not just a screen pass. If we can't get the ball to our athletes in space, the offense will stall as it has. Stretching the field on plays like that will open the middle for Randle, Tolliver, etc. You know this. Don't be ignorant to try and excuse Jefferson being awful.
He hit Shepard in the open field with room to run and he dropped it. He had him again on a long ball and he dropped it. He had Shep on the middle screen where he could have crawled into the end zone and it got tipped. JJ isn't perfect by any means but he's not "awful" either like you're trying to portray.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 11:35 am to jackson123
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Actually it's not. Watch the replays. Watch his eyes. He never looks off the safety. Performed well? Are you serious? He had 96 yards and still couldn't hit receivers in stride. You notice some of his completions, the WR was completely flat footed because the throw was bad. Please watch him try and throw to a back out of the backfield. It's comical.
Why do you act like I didn't watch the game?
Why don't you mention the 2 TDs he should have had that were dropped? The throws were perfectly fine.
JJ is a work in progress, I'm not denying any of this. But you are just wrong in saying he NEVER does anything of things you are saying. He audibled a handful of times last Saturday. He did what he was asked. He threw for 97 yards because a) some of his yards were lost on drops and b) he didn't need to throw for any more.
The coaches dialed back the game plan because they didn't need to air it out 50 times a game to beat Mississippi State.
Now would I have liked to see them throw it a bit more to work on JJ's comfort? Sure. But that's not what you are debating here.
The bottom line is, you are seeing what you want to see (and maybe I am too), and that's just fine. You are going to continue to believe that he doesn't know how to audible, read a defense or any of that. I'm not saying he's Peyton Manning out there, but to say he doesn't ever do any of it is just plainly foolish.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 11:36 am to MightyYat
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He hit Shepard in the open field with room to run and he dropped it. He had him again on a long ball and he dropped it. He had Shep on the middle screen where he could have crawled into the end zone and it got tipped. JJ isn't perfect by any means but he's not "awful" either like you're trying to portray.
Yes, that's all I'm trying to say.
And he's not completely inept either, as some are trying to pretend.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 11:37 am to OBUDan
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Yes, that's all I'm trying to say.
And he's not completely inept either, as some are trying to pretend.
I've been having this same fight since the Spring Game. It's become sort of like a hobby to me by now.Posted on 9/21/10 at 11:40 am to MightyYat
It's just sad that we dial back the offense to basically play ballcontrol/clock management against a team that we force 5 turnovers against and people just spout off that the only reason we did it is because JJ is an idiot. 
Posted on 9/21/10 at 11:41 am to OBUDan
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The bottom line is, you are seeing what you want to see (and maybe I am too), and that's just fine.
Good point. What in your opinion would give you enough reason to bench him?
Posted on 9/21/10 at 11:42 am to OBUDan
kinda hard to throw the ball alot when your average starting position is the opponents 40 yard line. Not many plays to be had. I personally think everyone is overreacting. he can throw the long ball and slants over the middle, i have seen him do it. Also, if you watch the plays that are called you will see that most of the plays are short comebacks and screens. It's not all JJ's fault. Very little of it is actually.
I see improvement and i think we will only get better.
I am starting to get worried about the way miles uses the running backs. He has never done this well. I hope our new rb coach put the right personnel in and gives the rb corps a new look
I see improvement and i think we will only get better.
I am starting to get worried about the way miles uses the running backs. He has never done this well. I hope our new rb coach put the right personnel in and gives the rb corps a new look
This post was edited on 9/21/10 at 11:45 am
Posted on 9/21/10 at 11:47 am to Flamefighter
Simplified offense:
Posted on 9/21/10 at 11:50 am to jackson123
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Good point. What in your opinion would give you enough reason to bench him?
Vandy was a strong reason to bench him. He was downright dreadful in that game. Horribly inaccurate. Look lost.
All I'm saying is that he completed his first 5 or 6 passes this week. He's 3-4 drops away from being at a 13 for 16 for 170 yards and 3 TDs.
Would you be bitching about that stat line?
He can't control what happens at the other end of passes.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 11:53 am to Flamefighter
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Why should LSU/Miles have to simplify the offense for QB's that should know the system by now?
because this is the situation and it makes a hell of a lot more sense than sensory overload. IMHO, Crowton's so-called offense is a "joke of all trades...and a master of none."
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This isn't highschool where you have to play the hand thats dealt.
you're right...it's college where you have to play the hand thats dealt. at any level you have to create a system that plays to your personels strengths...not weaknesses. Crowton either hasn't figured this out or he's a control freak who refuses to admit it just ain't working.
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There is no excuse for a 3 year starter to still be struggling running the offense and game plan.
I've heard no one making excuses. Miles has stated on numerous (more than we or he would like) that 'execution' is the only thing holding us back. He well knows that the buck stops on his desk....but to be fair we all have to realise that once those 'kids' step on the field it is encumbent upon them to translate practice perfection into game time success.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 12:01 pm to OBUDan
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Would you be bitching about that stat line?
No but it's not all about stats sometimes, because you can skew those however you'd like.
For example, the fact that MSU outgained us in this past game is not a relevant stat because we had the ball at midfield most of the time.
I would like to be able to sit back and have faith that our QB could throw for 200 yards in his sleep and that the coaches would have faith in him to do so.
The reality: Jefferson needs a CAREER game to get anywhere close to that. The same people (that kept saying the spring game doesn't matter b.s.), please look at the Vandy game. And whadya know, the same type of performance. I love how people can excuse it and pretend that it won't happen again. And guess what, Jefferson will have another game like that. You can count on that. He's just not that good.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 12:03 pm to jackson123
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The reality: Jefferson needs a CAREER game to get anywhere close to that. The same people (that kept saying the spring game doesn't matter b.s.), please look at the Vandy game. And whadya know, the same type of performance. I love how people can excuse it and pretend that it won't happen again. And guess what, Jefferson will have another game like that. You can count on that. He's just not that good.
So your answer is to put Lee in? Using your logic Lee will be expected to unleash the pick-six fury because, guess what, he also threw a pick-six in the Spring Game.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 12:07 pm to CougarBait
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That offense was so dumbed down for him last Saturday.
This is correct. But, it's not because Jefferson doesn't know the offense. It's because he can't process information quickly once the ball is snapped.
He has been unable to let the ball go on time consistently and almost always has to see the WR open before he lets it go (which makes it a much tougher throw and requires him to really muscle it to the WR.
Because of this, the coaches have reverted to the short passing game and designed rollouts. This simplifies the reads that Jefferson must make tremendously.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 12:09 pm to OBUDan
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Part of the reason he gets "Confused" is because the coaching staff has done a horrible job of bringing him along, mostly due to the bajillion formations we force ourselves to try and use.
LSU hasn't used that many formations this year. I don't know what you've been watching.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 12:09 pm to moneyg
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Because of this, the coaches have reverted to the short passing game and designed rollouts. This simplifies the reads that Jefferson must make tremendously.
Because he lacks mental (football) instincts.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 12:11 pm to MightyYat
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So your answer is to put Lee in? Using your logic Lee will be expected to unleash the pick-six fury because, guess what, he also threw a pick-six in the Spring Game.
I don't care who it is. Heck line Patrick Peterson up there (kidding). Just put someone up there who can move the offense. It doesn't have to be a traditional passer if we don't have one who can get the job done. Randle, Ware, Shep all played QB in high school. With our defense we just need drives to keep them fresh.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 12:12 pm to jackson123
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No but it's not all about stats sometimes, because you can skew those however you'd like.
Right, so would you not agree the stats from this weekend unfairly skewed the good game he played?
Posted on 9/21/10 at 12:13 pm to OBUDan
Miles and Crowton get 4 mil + between the 2 of them. Crowton spends a whole week with B Gonzales putting together a Game Plan for sat games. They submit it to LM and practice all week. How in the world is it JJ fault only 16 passes are called?? Really-Seriously? He went 10-16 last i checked and 2 of the 5 were TD's that should be there + plus one other drop that was a good pass. He should of been 13-16 for 150-160 2 pass TDs 40 yards rushing with a TD. What else do you expect him to do????
Posted on 9/21/10 at 12:13 pm to jackson123
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Because he lacks mental (football) instincts.
He lacks QB instincts. But, it's not because he doesn't understand the offense, or because we are running so many formations he can't get his hands around it.
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