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Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:43 am to Mulerider
I just think if you are gonna throw stones in losses, be sure to give credit in wins. It is so easy to critique whenever any LSU teams loses, but when teams, especially in women's sports, lose, then people come out of nowhere to express their displeasure. When the teams win, whether Gymnastics, Softball, and in some cases Women's Basketball, there is very little conversation or acknowledgment. Yet, if the team loses, then all hell breaks loose, the coaches have no idea what they are doing, they underutilize players, etc.
Just my two cents. Frustrating weekend, but I think this team has what it takes, just need to string together some great wins in Kansas and vs. Nicholls before a big series v. Georgia in two weeks.
Just my two cents. Frustrating weekend, but I think this team has what it takes, just need to string together some great wins in Kansas and vs. Nicholls before a big series v. Georgia in two weeks.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 11:11 am
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:11 pm to Bottom9
Analysis and criticism are not well-received around here. It is apparent that there are those who follow softball that know the game and this team better than the ones that are always "trolling" and "attacking" the team.
I'm definitely not on the side of the fence that thinks this is a "rebuilding" year. I think this team has more talent than last year but the problem with that is that it is young talent. We will get better as the year goes on and this Auburn series was good test and I think they passed even though they came up short.
I guess our posting habits and opinions label us either "pumper" or "cockroach" depending on who you ask, or don't, and the side of the fence you stand. One thing is for certain, I'm not sold on the positioning and batting order that we keep running out there. With 6 games until Georgia series, it would be encouraging to see a 2-3 game stretch of experimenting with the order and personnel to see if anything clicks. This team is a young group for the most part and a few losses aren't the end of the world. Maybe running 4 freshman out there in the starting group gives us the best team. There are glaring weaknesses with the current starting unit both with the bat and defensively. At their best, they are good and can beat anybody.
Six losses through 25 games and with the exception of LF, the lineup card is written in Sharpie thus far. We have yet to take advantage of the speed that we have acquired and use it as part of our offensive attack. I really think that a change in strategy by moving Griggs to the bottom and a speed girl (Andrews or Dawson) to the top will do wonders for the team. I like Griggs...don't get bent but I have never liked her leading off and think she has performed better at the bottom of the order. I think the order lacks creativity again this year. Maybe it doesn't work but at least you tried it and that is what the early part of the season is used for, trying different things to see if it gives you a better edge.
With more talent this year, I can not believe that defensively we have not seen Sanchez tried at 2nd and Doyle at 3rd at this point. I realize that moving Quinn from 2nd is not popular with the "pumpers" and that Dawson playing 2nd is with "cockroaches" but our infield D has not been great. I will say that it has been better than last year but, it seems that errors at 3rd and 2nd still plague this team a year later. Since Torina and staff read the board to get feedback and suggestions, let me offer mine. For a game or two this next week, use pencil for the line-up card and try something different to see if it works better.
I'm definitely not on the side of the fence that thinks this is a "rebuilding" year. I think this team has more talent than last year but the problem with that is that it is young talent. We will get better as the year goes on and this Auburn series was good test and I think they passed even though they came up short.
I guess our posting habits and opinions label us either "pumper" or "cockroach" depending on who you ask, or don't, and the side of the fence you stand. One thing is for certain, I'm not sold on the positioning and batting order that we keep running out there. With 6 games until Georgia series, it would be encouraging to see a 2-3 game stretch of experimenting with the order and personnel to see if anything clicks. This team is a young group for the most part and a few losses aren't the end of the world. Maybe running 4 freshman out there in the starting group gives us the best team. There are glaring weaknesses with the current starting unit both with the bat and defensively. At their best, they are good and can beat anybody.
Six losses through 25 games and with the exception of LF, the lineup card is written in Sharpie thus far. We have yet to take advantage of the speed that we have acquired and use it as part of our offensive attack. I really think that a change in strategy by moving Griggs to the bottom and a speed girl (Andrews or Dawson) to the top will do wonders for the team. I like Griggs...don't get bent but I have never liked her leading off and think she has performed better at the bottom of the order. I think the order lacks creativity again this year. Maybe it doesn't work but at least you tried it and that is what the early part of the season is used for, trying different things to see if it gives you a better edge.
With more talent this year, I can not believe that defensively we have not seen Sanchez tried at 2nd and Doyle at 3rd at this point. I realize that moving Quinn from 2nd is not popular with the "pumpers" and that Dawson playing 2nd is with "cockroaches" but our infield D has not been great. I will say that it has been better than last year but, it seems that errors at 3rd and 2nd still plague this team a year later. Since Torina and staff read the board to get feedback and suggestions, let me offer mine. For a game or two this next week, use pencil for the line-up card and try something different to see if it works better.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:23 pm to Le Tenia
Losing two games due to errors is not fun. But, there seems to be a history with errors at exactly the wrong time. "Walk Off" errors are the worst. Last year Bianka made more errors at third than any other SEC third baseman. But, we still got to the WS.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 1:02 pm to Le Tenia
I guess you can label me as a pumper because I'm going to support our program all the way. Do I agree with every decision? No, but every coach runs his/her program they way they feel will be the best. Do I make the right decision every time as a coach? No. I've made many mistakes during my career.
What I'm trying to say is that no player or coach is going to make every decision correctly. Most of us understand that. The problem is that there are some that come on here with an agenda and if the players and coaches aren't in tune with their agendas, then they make personal attacks.
I have an issue with those with these agendas who claim to be fans, but have never attended or graduated from LSU, nor are donors or season ticket holders. I'm definitely not saying that those of who are alums are better than anyone who is a fan, but many of those with these agendas, come and go after 3 or 4 years, or less if there are transfers, while the alumni who support the program (all sports) tend to stay here for the long haul.
What I'm trying to say is that no player or coach is going to make every decision correctly. Most of us understand that. The problem is that there are some that come on here with an agenda and if the players and coaches aren't in tune with their agendas, then they make personal attacks.
I have an issue with those with these agendas who claim to be fans, but have never attended or graduated from LSU, nor are donors or season ticket holders. I'm definitely not saying that those of who are alums are better than anyone who is a fan, but many of those with these agendas, come and go after 3 or 4 years, or less if there are transfers, while the alumni who support the program (all sports) tend to stay here for the long haul.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 1:45 pm to Imperial
I always thought Griggs excelled towards the bottom of the order verses the top. I do think it would be more beneficial to have Andrews or another slapper towards the top.
I am curious if Beth is will play around with the infield now. Sanchez while she has made some nice plays has a bunch of errors and has been struggling at the plate. Doyle could play 3B, she played there in the fall and through a lot of the practices.
Andrews did have some good at bats and found ways to get on. I think Torina will continue to feed her since she looks solid in her last couple of outings. If Torina wants to experiment and try something, this weekend is it.
I know Satchell can play 3B as well guess we will see how it ends up.
I am curious if Beth is will play around with the infield now. Sanchez while she has made some nice plays has a bunch of errors and has been struggling at the plate. Doyle could play 3B, she played there in the fall and through a lot of the practices.
Andrews did have some good at bats and found ways to get on. I think Torina will continue to feed her since she looks solid in her last couple of outings. If Torina wants to experiment and try something, this weekend is it.
I know Satchell can play 3B as well guess we will see how it ends up.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 1:47 pm to Tigerbreathe
quote:
Losing two games due to errors is not fun. But, there seems to be a history with errors at exactly the wrong time. "Walk Off" errors are the worst. Last year Bianka made more errors at third than any other SEC third baseman. But, we still got to the WS.
It really is frustrating but its early but I am encouraged as a whole where the team is. I was really impressed with the bottom of the order showing they can hold their own and make it happen. Auburn isn't a slouch in the circle either, they are much improved this year.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:27 pm to Imperial
For the record, I am an alumnus, donor, and supporter. I have no family, friends, former teammates or former players on this team. I have followed LSU softball since Coach G days. I'm as neutral, pro-LSU as it gets. Having said that along with my earlier post, I agree, Beth is gonna do what Beth is gonna do. Though I might be critical sometimes, that in no way makes me any less supportive of what she has done and is doing.
Evaluating the total body work and critiquing only invites the opportunity to improve with better results. Nobody is above that and as long as there aren't any "attacks" there should be no issue with having an differing opinion. We are at a point in the season where there has been enough time to assess the results. I think these opinions are often labeled as "attacks" even when stats and analysis say otherwise.
What I find humorous in the whole Quinn vs Dawson debate is, the same side that believes Quinn is being attacked is the same side saying that Dawson isn't ready, has work to do with the bat, not a good teammate, she must not be good at practice, brings up scholarship, in Torina's doghouse, etc. Compared to discussing one's game performances, are those not attacks?
I believe in this team and I think we will do well but, I think we are only seeing a fraction of what this team is capable of offensively.
Evaluating the total body work and critiquing only invites the opportunity to improve with better results. Nobody is above that and as long as there aren't any "attacks" there should be no issue with having an differing opinion. We are at a point in the season where there has been enough time to assess the results. I think these opinions are often labeled as "attacks" even when stats and analysis say otherwise.
What I find humorous in the whole Quinn vs Dawson debate is, the same side that believes Quinn is being attacked is the same side saying that Dawson isn't ready, has work to do with the bat, not a good teammate, she must not be good at practice, brings up scholarship, in Torina's doghouse, etc. Compared to discussing one's game performances, are those not attacks?
I believe in this team and I think we will do well but, I think we are only seeing a fraction of what this team is capable of offensively.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:42 pm to Le Tenia
quote:
Evaluating the total body work and critiquing only invites the opportunity to improve with better results. Nobody is above that and as long as there aren't any "attacks" there should be no issue with having an differing opinion. We are at a point in the season where there has been enough time to assess the results. I think these opinions are often labeled as "attacks" even when stats and analysis say otherwise.
What I find humorous in the whole Quinn vs Dawson debate is, the same side that believes Quinn is being attacked is the same side saying that Dawson isn't ready, has work to do with the bat, not a good teammate, she must not be good at practice, brings up scholarship, in Torina's doghouse, etc. Compared to discussing one's game performances, are those not attacks?
I believe in this team and I think we will do well but, I think we are only seeing a fraction of what this team is capable of offensively.
I agree man, I think criticism go both ways are unnecessary. I for one want to apologize if I have come across in that way, I really don't mean to come across like I am demeaning her as a player. I really want everyone to move past it. We all have the same goal and its for this team to be successful. Curious though I have not seen Dawson play in the OF before even though I have seen her play a bunch of times, you would think with her speed and athleticism she could adjust to that position. Unless this staff is set on making her an infielder. Personally I would like to see her be given some shots in LF. Andrews is solid but I think Dawson could give more to the team at the plate, plus she can get the ball out of the infield.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:50 pm to Tigerbait357
Also I think this year sets us up perfectly in SEC play.
Home games:
Georgia
Mississippi State
Tennessee
Missouri
Away:
Alabama
Ole Miss
USCe
Every series with the exception of Alabama we should win. Personally, I don't think Alabama is as good as people think. They are definitely beatable. I think we have an excellent chance of finishing within the top 3 of the SEC. If we play to our abilities, we can definitely earn a top 8 national seed too.
We just need to clean up some of the defensive miscues, get the youngsters more reps and confidence. I am pretty excited for what this team can do, because the sky is the limit.
Home games:
Georgia
Mississippi State
Tennessee
Missouri
Away:
Alabama
Ole Miss
USCe
Every series with the exception of Alabama we should win. Personally, I don't think Alabama is as good as people think. They are definitely beatable. I think we have an excellent chance of finishing within the top 3 of the SEC. If we play to our abilities, we can definitely earn a top 8 national seed too.
We just need to clean up some of the defensive miscues, get the youngsters more reps and confidence. I am pretty excited for what this team can do, because the sky is the limit.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 3:06 pm to Tigerbait357
quote:
Every series with the exception of Alabama we should win. Personally, I don't think Alabama is as good as people think. They are definitely beatable.
Especially their pitching. Osorio (sp?) is dynamic, but Littlejohn is vulnerable. Excited for that series.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:32 pm to TigerBait55
Littlejohn is not very good, Arkansas was abusing her when I tuned in the other day
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:32 pm to Bottom9
I am right here reading most of the nonsense that is written.
As for me having insight to scholorships, I am not sure how you came to that conclusion. I simply stated that we have no idea who she was recruited by and how much of a scholorships anyone is one. Lots of kids get offers to play at lots of schools, that doesn't equate to a big scholorships. Heck I think Auburn has something like 31 girls in their roster.
I am sure if you ask everyone's parents, everyone is on a full ride. But let's be real, according to NCAA site, non team has more than 12 scholorships. INCLUDING LSU!
Let's break LSU down:
4 pitchers, most pitchers are full ride kids
That leaves us with 8
The following players must be on full or close to it:
Serrett, Doyle, Sanchez, Griggs, Jaquish
That leaves 3 full left
We have to assume Landry has a decent size scholorship because you reward players like her. I am sure tops covers a good bit
Cunningham and Andrews have to be on pretty good offers, or they wouldn't be playing so far from home.
With that said, it doesn't seem to leave a lot for any of the other players.
If this isn't a logical assessment then I am happy to be proven wrong.
That is all I meant by mentioning the young lady and who she was recruited by and how much scholorships she is on.
As for my opinion on the lineup etc.
I don't see why we don't play Sanchez at 2nd and Doyle at 3rd Walljasper hits for herself when she pitches and can DH when she doesn't. I think Andrews had a nice weekend at the plate, but not one ball left the infield when teams get notes...they will try and take that away. I think defensively she is very scary out there, noafter how fast she is. Thornhill is a better defensive player than Andrews without a doubt. The rest of the lineup is not going anywhere if you make the change at 2nd and 3rd. There is not one person on the bench that is better than there 8 starters.
Griggs
Landry
Jaquish
Doyle
Springfield
Walljasper
Serrett
Sanchez
Thornhill/Andrews
Not saying that should be the order..but these 9/10 are the best we have....nobody else is close to being a starter at this level of college ball.
I am sure there will be those who disagree and they have that right. I said Griggs maybe should be sat for a game, and got blasted for it.
As for me having insight to scholorships, I am not sure how you came to that conclusion. I simply stated that we have no idea who she was recruited by and how much of a scholorships anyone is one. Lots of kids get offers to play at lots of schools, that doesn't equate to a big scholorships. Heck I think Auburn has something like 31 girls in their roster.
I am sure if you ask everyone's parents, everyone is on a full ride. But let's be real, according to NCAA site, non team has more than 12 scholorships. INCLUDING LSU!
Let's break LSU down:
4 pitchers, most pitchers are full ride kids
That leaves us with 8
The following players must be on full or close to it:
Serrett, Doyle, Sanchez, Griggs, Jaquish
That leaves 3 full left
We have to assume Landry has a decent size scholorship because you reward players like her. I am sure tops covers a good bit
Cunningham and Andrews have to be on pretty good offers, or they wouldn't be playing so far from home.
With that said, it doesn't seem to leave a lot for any of the other players.
If this isn't a logical assessment then I am happy to be proven wrong.
That is all I meant by mentioning the young lady and who she was recruited by and how much scholorships she is on.
As for my opinion on the lineup etc.
I don't see why we don't play Sanchez at 2nd and Doyle at 3rd Walljasper hits for herself when she pitches and can DH when she doesn't. I think Andrews had a nice weekend at the plate, but not one ball left the infield when teams get notes...they will try and take that away. I think defensively she is very scary out there, noafter how fast she is. Thornhill is a better defensive player than Andrews without a doubt. The rest of the lineup is not going anywhere if you make the change at 2nd and 3rd. There is not one person on the bench that is better than there 8 starters.
Griggs
Landry
Jaquish
Doyle
Springfield
Walljasper
Serrett
Sanchez
Thornhill/Andrews
Not saying that should be the order..but these 9/10 are the best we have....nobody else is close to being a starter at this level of college ball.
I am sure there will be those who disagree and they have that right. I said Griggs maybe should be sat for a game, and got blasted for it.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:37 pm to Bayou Bum
Did anyone happen to see the scrimmages in the fall? I know when I saw Cunningham in person she looked pretty damn good at the plate, pretty sure played a lot of 2B in her HS/Travel ball as well as catcher. She definitely is pretty versatile. I have no clue how good she is at the plate right now. Torina mentioned in practice before the season started that she would be seeing time on the infield. Cunnigham was highly recruited by a lot of big ten, SEC and other PAC 12 schools.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:46 pm to Bayou Bum
quote:
I am sure there will be those who disagree and they have that right. I said Griggs maybe should be sat for a game, and got blasted for it.
If a player is struggling that bad it isn't a bad thing to sit them for a game. Actually its really helpful, gives the player a chance to regroup.
quote:
I don't see why we don't play Sanchez at 2nd and Doyle at 3rd Walljasper hits for herself when she pitches and can DH when she doesn't.
I think this would happen if Quinn wasn't here still. Although I am surprised Torina hasn't worked Doyle at 3B and DH Sanchez to see how it looks in a real game this season. I think Doyle is actually pretty underrated defensively, I think she would hold her own. Its a pretty huge adjustment to go from 2B to 3B.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 3:23 pm to Tigerbait357
quote:
Cunningham
This has been a little strange. I thought she had a pretty good fall and she is a very good defensive catcher. I was absolutely shocked when Beth ran Satchell out in the early start and not Cunningham.
I was able to see Cunningham quite a few times the last couple of summers and, although I don't think she will ever be an offensive threat on the level of a Jaquish or even a Kloss, she was very good behind the plate.
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 3/14/17 at 3:32 pm to Bayou Bum
quote:
I am right here reading most of the nonsense that is written.
Beginning with your own, I hope.
quote:
As for me having insight to scholorships, I am not sure how you came to that conclusion. I simply stated that we have no idea who she was recruited by and how much of a scholorships anyone is one. Lots of kids get offers to play at lots of schools, that doesn't equate to a big scholorships. Heck I think Auburn has something like 31 girls in their roster.
I am sure if you ask everyone's parents, everyone is on a full ride. But let's be real, according to NCAA site, non team has more than 12 scholorships. INCLUDING LSU!
Let's break LSU down:
4 pitchers, most pitchers are full ride kids
That leaves us with 8
The following players must be on full or close to it:
Serrett, Doyle, Sanchez, Griggs, Jaquish
That leaves 3 full left
We have to assume Landry has a decent size scholorship because you reward players like her. I am sure tops covers a good bit
Cunningham and Andrews have to be on pretty good offers, or they wouldn't be playing so far from home.
With that said, it doesn't seem to leave a lot for any of the other players.
Completely irrelevant. If any staff at LSU determines the starting lineup by the amount of scholarship aid offered they should immediately be removed from that coaching duty.
quote:
I don't see why we don't play Sanchez at 2nd and Doyle at 3rd
Agree with Doyle, she got the high majority of the reps at 3rd all fall and pre-spring. There was a reason why Sanchez moved to third and it was to get away from 2nd not to get more reps there.
quote:
Thornhill is a better defensive player than Andrews without a doubt.
Okay, see first comment above. quote:
Andrews had a nice weekend at the plate
Awe, the hypocrisy continues. How can Andrews have had a good weekend? Since when did a couple of bunt hits make you a good player? I think I heard that on here before... or did I?
quote:
Not saying that should be the order..but these 9/10 are the best we have....nobody else is close to being a starter at this level of college ball.
You can't make this stuff up.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 4:26 pm to LSUAshlyn
Since you want to be selective in quoting me....let's use the whole quote Mrs. Dawson
"Andrews had a pretty good weekend at the plate although not one ball left the infield".
To add to that. Once sec teams figure that out, the bunuts for most of the players that don't slap with some power will be taken away.
"Andrews had a pretty good weekend at the plate although not one ball left the infield".
To add to that. Once sec teams figure that out, the bunuts for most of the players that don't slap with some power will be taken away.
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