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re: Someone help me out.. why do you start Jefferson?
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:38 am to snow517
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:38 am to snow517
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JJ does not run that great & JL os in much better shape, surely he can run skittles.
Apparently you missed my first post on the subject - and the first play for LSU last weekend.
JJ ran for an EIGHTY THREE yard TD. Did he get caught from behind? No, he SCORED. The reason he scored was that UT didn't have anyone covering him. They were forced to assign someone to him for the rest of the game - THEREBY OPENING UP THE RUNNING GAME FOR RIDLEY.
Does JL score from 83 yards out if no one is covering him? I doubt it. Does Ridley get his yards if no one has to cover the QB? I doubt it.
The REALLY funny thing is that this question was put to Miles, and he responded that JJ opens up the game for Ridley better than JL. Rantards go nuts and want to know WTF he is talking about. But it's right there on the film. And it's exactly as Miles describes it.
Miles tells the fans why he's playing JJ, the fans claim not only that they don't understand what MIles is saying, but accuse Miles of not knowing what he is saying.
And yet there it is, if anyone wants to see for themselves what Miles is talking about.
But they don't want to look, their minds are made up.
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Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:40 am to ccomeaux
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Bingo ! And we may be able to. Bama killed them with very little passing.
Florida is weak in punt coverage, give up close to 4yds/carry and lost their kicker to a back injury. Demps is knicked, Brantley is hurt enough for the O/U to be pulled on the board and we have a great D. Winning 9-7 is just fine with me.
Yeah, but McElroy was able to hit 8-11yd passes to keep them honest. Jefferson hasn't really shown that ability.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:42 am to GA Tiger
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Lee looked good, led the team on the game-winning drive...
And then threw a TERRIBLE pass in the end zone that was intercepted.
Not to mention another pass in the end zone that SHOULD have picked off.
Florida is NOT going to let those opportunities for INTs pass them by.
Lee did NOT look all that great passing the ball. Did he look better throwing than Jefferson?
Who doesn't. But that's not why Jefferson is in the game.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:42 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Apparently you missed my first post on the subject - and the first play for LSU last weekend.
JJ ran for an EIGHTY THREE yard TD. Did he get caught from behind? No, he SCORED. The reason he scored was that UT didn't have anyone covering him. They were forced to assign someone to him for the rest of the game - THEREBY OPENING UP THE RUNNING GAME FOR RIDLEY.
Does JL score from 83 yards out if no one is covering him? I doubt it. Does Ridley get his yards if no one has to cover the QB? I doubt it.
The REALLY funny thing is that this question was put to Miles, and he responded that JJ opens up the game for Ridley better than JL. Rantards go nuts and want to know WTF he is talking about. But it's right there on the film. And it's exactly as Miles describes it.
Miles tells the fans why he's playing JJ, the fans claim not only that they don't understand what MIles is saying, but accuse Miles of not knowing what he is saying.
And yet there it is, if anyone wants to see for themselves what Miles is talking about.
But they don't want to look, their minds are made up.
It's because you can get away with type of shite against the UTs of the world. They're a baaaaad football team. You act like Jefferson ripped off that run against the '76 Steelers.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:43 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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No, he's right.
After watching the replay last night, I noticed Ridley didn't run as well with JL in the game.
Why?
Look at the first LSU play from scrimmage. The running QB that can't run, ran 83 yards for a TD.
HOW?
When JJ's in the game, the other team has to account for him. They actually have to put a man on him. They can usually shut doiwn his run, but they still have to put that man on him. That means that it's easier for Ridley to run.
In the second half, JJ runs a read-option play. He reads the DE - and kepeps the ball for an 8-yard gain. The next play is the same play, except that instead of the fake to Ridley, he hands it to him. Ridley then tears off a 20 yard gain. Next play, JJ rushes for 3 yards, 2nd down, Ridley for 14.
Then JJ comes out and JL goes in. Ridley rushes for 1 yard.
When JJ was in the game the Tigers rushed for 188 yards on 20 carries for an average of 9.4 ypc, with 4 runs of 10+ yards. When JL was in the game the Tigers rushed for 55 yards on 14 carries for an average of 3.9 ypc, and 1 run of 10+ yards (11 yards).
That's also why JJ went in on the goal line plays at the end of the game, they wanted to force UT to cover the QB.
I totally agree with this.....But what I dont agree with is playing JJ at all...if JJ is only a threat to run then put in the Most Talented Running QB in the nation in Russell Shephard....Shep can throw better then JJ can and even if he doesnt throw your still better then JJ cause Shep can obviously run better then JJ. Now you dont have to swap personnel and the defense cant swap personnel either...put lee out wide the same way bama does and you run the play...if they dont put anyone on lee tell shep to throw the ball out to him let him get 5 yards. if they do put someone on lee then you have 10 on 10....which is what you want...
now where is my check for 500k...cause thats all crowton has to do..
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:43 am to ccomeaux
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It keeps the pressure off Lee and preserves any confidence JJ still has. It gives another week for JL to get ready to be the starter and with McNeese next week he gets his first start without a lot of worry about the outcome. It's a logical progression heading into the meat of the West schedule. Losing to Florida is not the end of the world but dropping games to AU and Bama back to back would be.
Les is doing the right thing, for once.
Well said.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:46 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Ok there is some football logic here that I can grab onto. And since UF does excel at pass coverage, and since neither of our two QBs excel at passing, it would seem like LSU will need to do the Big Ten/Cholly Mac dance and run the ball at Florida. And be as good as Alabama was at it. We could win if the strategy works and if we can sustain long drives that actually score, eat up chunks of real estate and clock, and thus keep the ball from UF's offense.
JJ ran for an EIGHTY THREE yard TD. Did he get caught from behind? No, he SCORED. The reason he scored was that UT didn't have anyone covering him. They were forced to assign someone to him for the rest of the game - THEREBY OPENING UP THE RUNNING GAME FOR RIDLEY.
Does JL score from 83 yards out if no one is covering him? I doubt it. Does Ridley get his yards if no one has to cover the QB? I doubt it.
The REALLY funny thing is that this question was put to Miles, and he responded that JJ opens up the game for Ridley better than JL.
If not, and JJ/JL do a lot of 3 & outs, it's going to be a long, long game for the Tiger Nation.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:50 am to LSUdm21
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It's because you can get away with type of shite against the UTs of the world. They're a baaaaad football team. You act like Jefferson ripped off that run against the '76 Steelers.
I know..., look at the replay there were 2 guys there that should have tackled him for a 3 yard gain ....one guy acted like he didnt want to hit him....(he wrapped his arms before he even got to JJ) and the other ran into his own man....but yet people say it was a "outstanding run" two guy ran into each other and jefferson thinks that he broke 7 tackles....retarded...
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:54 am to JawjaTigah
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Ok there is some football logic here that I can grab onto.
well, its a good theory but your still forgetting that were playing florida...not tennessee....fla is faster...and they know how to defend the offense that THEY run....the point is mute...
florida is going to stack the box with JJ in the game...that run game will go to shite this time around...its going to have to be balanced....plus we dont have the RB's and OL that Bama has...no offense but we dont...
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:54 am to JawjaTigah
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If not, and JJ/JL do a lot of 3 & outs, it's going to be a long, long game for the Tiger Nation.
I think it's going to be a long long game for both fanbases. Not much offense in this one.
It will be interesting to see how Florida bounces back. I think they have more problems than most think. Les basically has to win this game, it's his only chance to win some of the fans back.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:54 am to TigerFanNKaty
To get a handle on Flas defense. Lee says he feels more comfortable and confident coming off the bench.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:56 am to filmmaker45
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To get a handle on Flas defense. Lee says he feels more comfortable and confident coming off the bench.
link?...or BS.....
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:57 am to ccomeaux
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This bullshite about trying to ease the qb in as to not get him upset is why we have a qb situation. Why don't we ease Kelvin Sheppard in at lb so he doesn't miss a tackle early. WTF!
so you equate the QB and LB positions ? Yeah, that works
I think there's some validity to the point, when we're talking about someone who's in his third year as a starter.
We should be way past the coddling stage by now.
I guess it is what it is, though, but I don't think the coaches can be completely blameless for the situation.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:58 am to TigerFan55555
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.But what I dont agree with is playing JJ at all...if JJ is only a threat to run then put in the Most Talented Running QB in the nation in Russell Shephard....Shep can throw better then JJ can and even if he doesnt throw your still better then JJ cause Shep can obviously run better then JJ.
Why those in the JJ love fest don't see this?
I really don't know. But they will continue to point to his ONE highlight this year, a run against a weak UT team, as the reason of his greatness....despite in his last 8 quarters going for:
13/32
105 yds
0 tds
4 ints
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:59 am to LSUdm21
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Yeah, but McElroy was able to hit 8-11yd passes to keep them honest. Jefferson hasn't really shown that ability
He had less than 90 yds, how honest can you keep a D with that ?
Posted on 10/7/10 at 10:59 am to GA Tiger
I don't agree with it but it DOES take a lot of pressure off of LEE.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 11:00 am to filmmaker45
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To get a handle on Flas defense. Lee says he feels more comfortable and confident coming off the bench.
When did Lee say this exactly?
Posted on 10/7/10 at 11:00 am to GA Tiger
Because he has started every game and LSU is 5-0. Today on the Tony Barnhardt show he interviewed several national sports reporters and reviewed the SEC and ACC matchups. LSU came up and a guy from FoxSports (cant remember his name) said who cares who is making fun of Jefferson and who cares who is making fun of Miles bc they keep on winning. Barnhardt is 0-5 when picking LSU games this season and is about to be 0-6. The FoxSports guy said LSU has to play the hand they have, the only thing he would add is getting the ball into Sheps hand from the QB position like they did with Perrilloux during the 2007 season.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 11:00 am to TigerFan55555
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I totally agree with this.....But what I dont agree with is playing JJ at all...if JJ is only a threat to run then put in the Most Talented Running QB in the nation in Russell Shephard....Shep can throw better then JJ can and even if he doesnt throw your still better then JJ cause Shep can obviously run better then JJ. Now you dont have to swap personnel and the defense cant swap personnel either...put lee out wide the same way bama does and you run the play...if they dont put anyone on lee tell shep to throw the ball out to him let him get 5 yards. if they do put someone on lee then you have 10 on 10....which is what you want...
Here's the situation:
Running QBs:
RS>JJ>JL
Passing QBs:
JL>JJ>RS
So what's the best compromise?
At least with JJ you have a threat to run AND pass. If you actually listen (and try to figure out what he's saying) this is EXACTLY what Miles has been saying THE WHOLE TIME.
He can't put RS in at QB because he doesn't present enough of a threat to pass, and he can't keep JL in there because he doesn't present enough of a threat to run.
If you have NO threat to pass (with RS) then the defense just plays man and stops the play at the line. This would still be a better option than 100% JL because if the D doesn't have to cover the QB, then they play 11 on 10. And until JL shows a REAL threat to throw, they can still play man in the secondary and stop the run at the line with 7 on 6.
Just because JL is a 'better' passer than JJ does NOT mean he's an effective passer.
Posted on 10/7/10 at 11:01 am to CptBengal
It may take more than a week of practice to get the rest of the offense tuned for a qb change. I assume blocking schemes and routes and everything change when you go from the option qb to a pure passer. There were a lot of dumb penalties vs Tenn that could relate back to that.
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