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re: sunshine pumpers are out of control!
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:26 pm to EarthwormJim
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:26 pm to EarthwormJim
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Success that you refuse to credit Miles for.
From my first post in this thread I gave credit to Miles for being successful. In fact, I've always acknowledged Miles' success while stating I didn't believe him to be a great coach.
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:29 pm to Jay Quest
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From my first post in this thread I gave credit to Miles for being successful. In fact, I've always acknowledged Miles' success while stating I didn't believe him to be a great coach
Your first post:
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His teams have done great things at times and some very very foolish things at times. Both are reflective on Miles. Its my opinion LSU wins games in spite of Les Miles on the sidelines and not because he's there
Tell me how is that giving credit?
Then you compared Miles to Coker as an argument to support your opinion that bad coaches can maintain success at a program.
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:30 pm to stephendomalley
I think the "sunshine pumpers" are going as aggressive as the parrties that are arguing against them. I haven't seen a single post on here defensing LSU's offense in the past 2-3 months. What I have seen (and there is a lot of it) are "fans" saying things like "get ready for 7-5", "Saban would've won 10 national titles if he stayed at LSU", "Miles is an idiot and should be fired", "Miles hasn't done anything to help us win in the last 8 years, the players are the only reason we've won, and he is the only reason we lost", etc. When stupid statements like that are made, many times it's from an emotional, irrational, person. Some on this board, like to try and help the person realize their stupidity and then they get called "sunshine pumpers", but hey who's calling who names?
Bottom line, every person wants to see LSU fix the offense, but there are far more people on here who go full retard and post dumb, negative shite than there are that post dumb positive shite.
Bottom line, every person wants to see LSU fix the offense, but there are far more people on here who go full retard and post dumb, negative shite than there are that post dumb positive shite.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:32 pm to stho381
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Bottom line, every person wants to see LSU fix the offense, but there are far more people on here who go full retard and post dumb, negative shite than there are that post dumb positive shite.
we have a winner.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:33 pm to EarthwormJim
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Tell me how is that giving credit?
Acknowledging his success is as good as I can do with Les Miles. I will not say LSU's success is a result of Les walking the sidelines when I believe otherwise.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:36 pm to EarthwormJim
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Then you compared Miles to Coker as an argument to support your opinion that bad coaches can maintain success at a program.
And I have no problem standing by that argument. Miles has been a successful coach. Larry Coker was a successful coach. Neither are great coaches IMO.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:37 pm to Jay Quest
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Acknowledging his success is as good as I can do with Les Miles. I will not say LSU's success is a result of Les walking the sidelines when I believe otherwise
You're entitled to your beliefs and it's obvious I won't change them. However if Miles is not responsible for the program's success, then this is literally the longest it's ever taken for a sub par coach to bring down a program.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:39 pm to Jay Quest
I'm still laughing at the Coker thing. Did you really not know how many seasons Miles has been here? Were you in a coma in 08? 
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:41 pm to EarthwormJim
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You're entitled to your beliefs and it's obvious I won't change them.
And I won't alter yours which is fine.
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However if Miles is not responsible for the program's success, then this is literally the longest it's ever taken for a sub par coach to bring down a program
Its my sincerest wish that Les has nothing but success at LSU. If he, and LSU, continue to play for championships, as they've done in the past, I will be happy.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:43 pm to AlxTgr
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I'm still laughing at the Coker thing. Did you really not know how many seasons Miles has been here?
Oh good grief. The years of service and how they correspond with one another was never the point. I was never comparing it year to year.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:44 pm to Jay Quest
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I will not say LSU's success is a result of Les walking the sidelines when I believe otherwise.
what is it a result of then?
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:45 pm to Jay Quest
quote:Then there is no comparison at all. Why is Coker no longer the Miami coach? At what point did it happen, and why?
Oh good grief. The years of service and how they correspond with one another was never the point. I was never comparing it year to year.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:46 pm to Choctaw
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what is it a result of then?
Talent discrepancy mostly. LSU puts superior talent on the field in 9-10 games every year.
That's one reason why successful college coaches have a problem moving on to the NFL where there is far more parity.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:47 pm to AlxTgr
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Why is Coker no longer the Miami coach? At what point did it happen, and why?
It could be argued Coker had one bad season when he went 7-6. You tell me why he's no longer there. He wasn't fired for lack of success.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:56 pm to Jay Quest
quote:Then what was it?
He wasn't fired for lack of success.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 2:01 pm to Jay Quest
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LSU puts superior talent on the field
so do alot of teams. do their coaches suck too?
also...do you think these players could have come straight out of high school, never practice, never train, never attend meetings and just stepped on the field every saturday, won 80+% of their games, 3 SEC West titles, 2 SEC Championships, and a national championship....along with other huge wins? you know.....because they're so super duper talented and all?
Posted on 1/8/13 at 2:01 pm to AlxTgr
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Then what was it?
Obviously I wasn't part of the Miami brain trust who made that decision but I believe Coker's shortcomings as a coach became more accentuated with a 7-6 season then they were when Miami went unbeaten under him. Shortcomings are easy to forgive when you're winning.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 2:03 pm to Choctaw
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so do alot of teams. do their coaches suck too?
In some cases that overwhelming talent discrepancy does help to cover up some coaching issues. Bob Stoops has a fine record except when his teams line up against teams of equal talent.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 2:04 pm to Choctaw
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Choctaw
You think Les needs to make some offensive changes?
Posted on 1/8/13 at 2:05 pm to stephendomalley
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they can't handle fans who love and appreciate miles and Lsu making the least observation about the obvious deficiencies. they just go ape when someone points out what everyone knows - we dont' run a decent offensive scheme.
CFB isn't about being creative offenses that people haven't seen. It's about the PLAYERS EXECUTING THE PLAYS THEY RUN.
It's common knowledge that ANY PLAY CAN BE SUCCESSFUL if the players execute. If our players beat the man in front on them on their assignment , a fb dive can go for a 40 yard TD run.
Also, I don't know what board you're looking at, but their is far more negativity on here than sunshine pumping.
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