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re: The BCS vs Playoff Debate
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:23 pm to loweralabamatrojan
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:23 pm to loweralabamatrojan
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I believe a decent team canc'd on them, and the Citadel was the scrub. Err, sub.
Not an AU. OU bought Bowling Green off to play them instead. BG was a good team for BCS purposes, but not a really good team that was a threat. If you would have switched Bowling Green and The Citadel on OU's and AU's scheds, there is a good chance that the computers would have equaled out. But AU could have met the price (but there was a relationship between key OU and BG players, so this may not have been an option. They also could have done something similar to what OU did, but they didn't and chose the easy way out. One understands the game and other didn't.
The SEC overall was just as big a problem for AU. The SEC relative to recent standards, sucked that year. The conference as a whole didn't sched many quality OOC games. The ones that they did sched, they lost. We didn't beat any good teams and overall we lost quite a few to mediocre teams. In 2003, we probably had a weaker OOC sched, but we got a lot more help from the SEC.
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Sorry to disappoint.
i hope you don't mean mine...
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:24 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Wow again.
what is so wrong about this?
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Why should whether or not they won the games be less important than whether SFP or some pollsters were impressed?
i'm sorry that i'm not impressed that AU couldn't put away mediocre teams like Utenn or VT
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
that would be great except some team may play a strong 5 teams and a decent 1 to make up their 6 and another team may play 2 strong opponents and an average 4.
i guess SOS picks up the slack. I think that idea is on the right track.
i guess SOS picks up the slack. I think that idea is on the right track.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:26 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Why should whether or not they won the games be less important than whether SFP or some pollsters were impressed?
there is an aesthetic involved
which is why i don't get the Utah love
they struggled to put away a shitty Michigan team AND some mediocre non-BCS opponents
that tells you a lot about the team
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Wow yet again.
there is an aesthetic involved
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:27 pm to easy money
quote:
that would be great except some team may play a strong 5 teams
in the regular season? this pretty much never happens
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and another team may play 2 strong opponents and an average 4.
then they'd have a weaker SOS
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:What is wrong about having a statistical formula decide whether an undefeated team is worthy of a chance at a championship? A lot.
what is so wrong about this?
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:30 pm to Gmorgan4982
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What is wrong about having a statistical formula decide whether an undefeated team is worthy of a chance at a championship?
no i'm saying your statistical rankings should be incorporated in the analysis
if you're #1 in the land in yards per game on offense and defense, as well as #1 in scoring offense and defensive points allowed, you're a fricking BEAST of a team
and statistical analysis shows objective rankings of teams to compensate for subjective rankings
you're not going to have any logical elimination process without some subjectivity
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Well, if you are all that and, SOMEHOW, 8-4 then you aren't all that great. A team with horrible statistics that is 12-0 is better ... usually. If not, they will get eliminated in round one of a playoff.
if you're #1 in the land in yards per game on offense and defense, as well as #1 in scoring offense and defensive points allowed, you're a fricking BEAST of a team
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
the season is a long process. sometimes you don't have your best stuff.
what games did you see of utah? at the time, a win against michigan was a big deal. something happens to a team that loses hope. adversely, something happens to a team that keeps winning. about utah, i'm impressed with their consistency despite a bad conference. especially in big bowl games.
you can't really focus on one thing. winning is winning no matter how ugly it looks. if you've been in the trenches, you'd understand that. to win game in and game out is a difficult task even if you played maine 12 weeks in a row. One of those games something is going to go wrong and you have to be resilient and find a way.
what games did you see of utah? at the time, a win against michigan was a big deal. something happens to a team that loses hope. adversely, something happens to a team that keeps winning. about utah, i'm impressed with their consistency despite a bad conference. especially in big bowl games.
you can't really focus on one thing. winning is winning no matter how ugly it looks. if you've been in the trenches, you'd understand that. to win game in and game out is a difficult task even if you played maine 12 weeks in a row. One of those games something is going to go wrong and you have to be resilient and find a way.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:36 pm to easy money
the only real issue that i have with the BCS is that the formula looks like it will work, but then we interfere with stupid, subjective based, opinionated BS that factors into it.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:58 pm to easy money
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winning is winning
who you beat and how you win are important in judging who is the best team
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
in a biased, opinionated system.
who you beat i'll agree with, but how, not always. also, teams don't really have that much control of who they play.
who you beat i'll agree with, but how, not always. also, teams don't really have that much control of who they play.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:03 pm to easy money
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teams don't really have that much control of who they play.
if they're playing shitty opponents and they're a badass team, they should frick up said opponents
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Well, why even keep score? Let's just tell the teams to play 60 minutes and at the end a panel of judges can rate them on a scale from 0 to 10 and at the end of the year, all their scores can be averaged and the team with the highest average is your national champion.
who you beat and how you win are important in judging who is the best team
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:12 pm to Gmorgan4982
see you sloflow and gmorgan.
nice talking to you both.
nice talking to you both.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 6:17 pm to MOT
Playoffs would kill the regular season plus you would not be able to sell beer like you can at a bcs game
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