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re: The more I think about this, the less enthusiastic I am about Jimbo
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:38 pm to Sampson
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:38 pm to Sampson
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How about the fact he lost 59-20 in a semi final game. Scored 20 points against one of the worst pass D's in the country that season with a heisman winner at QB. How much worse is that than 21-0?
Yeah, that loss followed 29 consecutive victories, two consecutive undefeated regular seasons, three consecutive conference championships, and an undefeated NC.
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:40 pm to Jim Rockford
This isn't a popular topic with the kids that are calling Fisher a savior....but absolutely I agree with you.
Listen, It's very possible that this year both Fisher and Miles lose 3 games each.......the kicker is that Fla. St. plays in the ACC, considered the weakest conference in the P5.
Last year, Fisher led Fla. St through an extremely weak ACC, but many times they barely escaped against much less talented teams. Many thought that despite being undefeated, that they weren't playoff worthy, given their performances throughout the year against inferior opponents. True enough, they went out and lost the playoff game by a whopping 39 points...pretty much justifying the naysayers.
Even in their championship year, they blew through a weak conference schedule, and were fortunate to catch Auburn in the NC game...which they managed to pull out the win. Auburn, as many know, lost to LSU, and was extremely fortunate, if not at times downright lucky to not have 3-4 losses on the season. They were NOT a championship team for sure....but after Saban inexplicably tried to kick a 60 yard field goal...Auburn was able to return the kick for the win....and drew MISSOURI in the SEC Championship game.
I remember Jimbo being here, and he has a history of playing down to competition both at LSU and at Fla. St....many were not happy with him when he left LSU....of course, now they all blame Miles for holding him back.
I truly believe there are some unrealistic expectations towards Jimbo.......it's going to be more of the same as with Miles....with the major improvement being QB development....but folks expecting a savior are likely going to be in for a surprise. To me, the no-brainer coach to go with was Chip Kelly......but Jimbo will be a solid coach I'm sure.
Listen, It's very possible that this year both Fisher and Miles lose 3 games each.......the kicker is that Fla. St. plays in the ACC, considered the weakest conference in the P5.
Last year, Fisher led Fla. St through an extremely weak ACC, but many times they barely escaped against much less talented teams. Many thought that despite being undefeated, that they weren't playoff worthy, given their performances throughout the year against inferior opponents. True enough, they went out and lost the playoff game by a whopping 39 points...pretty much justifying the naysayers.
Even in their championship year, they blew through a weak conference schedule, and were fortunate to catch Auburn in the NC game...which they managed to pull out the win. Auburn, as many know, lost to LSU, and was extremely fortunate, if not at times downright lucky to not have 3-4 losses on the season. They were NOT a championship team for sure....but after Saban inexplicably tried to kick a 60 yard field goal...Auburn was able to return the kick for the win....and drew MISSOURI in the SEC Championship game.
I remember Jimbo being here, and he has a history of playing down to competition both at LSU and at Fla. St....many were not happy with him when he left LSU....of course, now they all blame Miles for holding him back.
I truly believe there are some unrealistic expectations towards Jimbo.......it's going to be more of the same as with Miles....with the major improvement being QB development....but folks expecting a savior are likely going to be in for a surprise. To me, the no-brainer coach to go with was Chip Kelly......but Jimbo will be a solid coach I'm sure.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:40 pm to Jim Rockford
You comfortable at how Miles treated JL in 2011?
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:40 pm to Jim Rockford
good grief we are a miserable fanbase
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:41 pm to Jim Rockford
LSU needed a change. They made a big time coup by getting the new staff. Needed to be done whether it pays off or not.
Bold men make bold decisions. Cant win playing scared. Thats why Les is out. People can second guess til the cows come home but Les was his own undoing and LSU had to take a chance on someone.
Jimbo is about as big a hire as they could have ever pulled off. Props to them.
Bold men make bold decisions. Cant win playing scared. Thats why Les is out. People can second guess til the cows come home but Les was his own undoing and LSU had to take a chance on someone.
Jimbo is about as big a hire as they could have ever pulled off. Props to them.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:42 pm to The Egg
Yeah i dont expect a guy to keep 85 kids in check, especially when some of those kids lived in poverty growing up.
I just hope his hands were tied with the winston thing, because he did look foolish with that. And in that case, i wouldnt worry about him at LSU so much since they have booted some high profile players. 1 that def cost a a tile. Tyrann on that 2012 team would have been enough to get LSu back to the title game.
I just hope his hands were tied with the winston thing, because he did look foolish with that. And in that case, i wouldnt worry about him at LSU so much since they have booted some high profile players. 1 that def cost a a tile. Tyrann on that 2012 team would have been enough to get LSu back to the title game.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:45 pm to dgnx6
If it's one thing that is for sure, it's that LSU has a compliance team that ensures that it's coaching staffs do the right thing, or at least try to in any situation. It may have been different at FSU, but there's a different culture of compliance and staying in between the lines here.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:45 pm to DmitriKaramazov
[quote]DmitriKaramazov[/quote
November
I see you just started posting this week, but you are already in prime form bashing Miles and sucking off anyone not named Miles. My guess is that this alias will not last much longer than the last one you had did.
As I'm sure you are aware...they play in the ACC and absolutely have superior talent to everyone else in that Basketball conference. Clemson came on strong this year...and handled them...but they also lost to an inferior Ga. Tech team...and who knows what will happen with Florida. They could conceivably have 3 losses, just like Miles...but of course, against much less competition.
You brag about 29 wins. Almost everyone was saying last year that despite being undefeated, they had underwhelmed throughout the season, often times barely escaping much less talented teams. So much so, that many thought they should not have made the Playoff. This though was justified after they got completely destroyed by Oregon.
November
I see you just started posting this week, but you are already in prime form bashing Miles and sucking off anyone not named Miles. My guess is that this alias will not last much longer than the last one you had did.
As I'm sure you are aware...they play in the ACC and absolutely have superior talent to everyone else in that Basketball conference. Clemson came on strong this year...and handled them...but they also lost to an inferior Ga. Tech team...and who knows what will happen with Florida. They could conceivably have 3 losses, just like Miles...but of course, against much less competition.
You brag about 29 wins. Almost everyone was saying last year that despite being undefeated, they had underwhelmed throughout the season, often times barely escaping much less talented teams. So much so, that many thought they should not have made the Playoff. This though was justified after they got completely destroyed by Oregon.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:46 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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Yeah, that loss followed 29 consecutive victories, two consecutive undefeated regular seasons, three consecutive conference championships, and an undefeated NC.
not in the sec. FSU is the top dog in that conference and has had more talent than all of them for quite some time now. LSu has been closer to ole miss in recruiting rankings than to bama. People just keep forgetting the new coach will have to face them every season.
Jimbo is a good coach, i just dont think hes an upgrade and LSU is in for similar results but will be paying even more money for them.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:47 pm to Jim Rockford
I like some of what you say, but sadly we've seen on this board that many care only about winning and not how you get there.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:50 pm to grape nutz
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Les was his own undoing and LSU had to take a chance on someone.
Totally agree with this, it was time for Les to go...and I'm a big Miles supporter.
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Jimbo is about as big a hire as they could have ever pulled off
I hope I'm 100% wrong, but I don't see this at all. Jimbo is in his what, 4th year....it is very possible he loses 3 games this year....same as Les. Only difference is Les plays in the SEC...while Jimbo plays in the ACC.
I don't think it is going out on a limb to say that Jimbo and Fla. St have taken advantage of playing teams that almost exclusively had significantly less talent than them....and still they played MANY very close games.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:54 pm to dgnx6
I don't get how people want to bash what Jimbo has done at FSU but seem to forget that Les was only an 8 win coach at Oklahoma St before he came to LSU where he has done a pretty damn good job. What makes you think another great recruiting coach can't come in here and do the same?
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:56 pm to Adajax
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It doesn't matter who is hired, there will be pro and anti factions
All the former nega-tigers are now posi-tigers. All the former posi-tigers are now nega-tigers....
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:57 pm to Sampson
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How much worse is that than 21-0?
Its not worse than 21-0.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:58 pm to Jim Rockford
Just hush and go somewhere else lol
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:58 pm to A1A
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I don't get how people want to bash what Jimbo has done at FSU but seem to forget that Les was only an 8 win coach at Oklahoma St before he came to LSU where he has done a pretty damn good job. What makes you think another great recruiting coach can't come in here and do the same?
This actually doesn't make sense...two different programs. Les wasn't getting elite recruits at OK St. Jimbo is at Fla. St, BY FAR the elite program of the ACC...and only recently Clemson has even made it two teams in the conference......Jimbo is already getting great talent....is head and shoulder above everyone in the conference, and yet, may lose 3 games this year.
He will be a good coach...don't get me wrong...and I'm glad for a change....I just wish we could have gotten Kelly, and Boom or Peline as DC....
Posted on 11/26/15 at 7:59 pm to Jim Rockford
don't get me wrong, given the choice between miles and fisher, i'd take fisher in a heartbeat... but if i had to be completely honest about fisher, i'd say that jimbo was one kelvin benjamin ankle sprain away from fielding a much lesser team the year they won their last championship... if benjamin missed significant playing time, especially late in the year, then they likely would have fallen short of reaching the bcs championship game or wouldn't have beaten auburn... take that season away and the best thing fisher has done is win an NC as saban's OC during fisher's time at LSU. finally, i don't want you to think that i'm saying jimbo is a bad coach... i just think we can do better and get a better value for the dollar with another coach.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 8:00 pm to SPEEDY
Yea, it is
Posted on 11/26/15 at 8:01 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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.the kicker is that Fla. St. plays in the ACC, considered the weakest conference in the P5.
And Les has had significantly more resources to work with.
Posted on 11/26/15 at 8:13 pm to Tigerinthehollow
I think if it's Jimbo he is the safest hire for Alleva. However, to me he isn't that big of a hire for the reasons stated by others. I think the last several classes have left LSU some glaring holes on both lines. Jimbo is not coming into what Les did 11 years ago. There is some rebuilding to do.
This post was edited on 11/26/15 at 8:21 pm
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