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re: The Orgeron Extension Talk: Why?
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:39 am to bencoleman
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:39 am to bencoleman
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Nobody's moving any goalposts. The man has assembled a decent coaching staff, had a top ten finish and is doing well recruiting. Why can't the university show the guy that they're confident that the guy is moving the program in the right direction without a bunch of haters freaking out?
Let's not forget that Orgeron's pitch to begin with was that he would be a cheap OC so that that cash could be used to purchase the top coordinators.
That money was used to retain Dave Aranda - a Les Miles hire.
If you subtract the overtime debacle against Texas A&M, LSU's defense finished top 5 in scoring defense and the offense somewhere past 50.
Ed Orgeron's defensive staff predates his tenure, and his offensive coordinator worked for Miles.
Indisputable facts:
1. LSU's record this year is largely based on their defensive performance.
2. LSU's offense performed better under Matt Canada than it has under Steve.
3. The staff looks a whole lot like it did under Miles - many of the same people.
4. LSU's recruiting has trended down.
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Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:42 am to bencoleman
quote:Keeping it real, LSU IS giving Coach O an extended contract. And all the screaming rants in the universe won't alter that fact in the slightest.
Nobody's moving any goalposts. The man has assembled a decent coaching staff, had a top ten finish and is doing well recruiting. Why can't the university show the guy that they're confident that the guy is moving the program in the right direction without a bunch of haters freaking out?
NegaTigers lose:(
CheriO's win:)
Congrats Coach O!
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 8:43 am
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:43 am to bencoleman
making a further commitment without gathering more information.
We have 3 years left. Take 1 more to see if we’re wctually trending up
You and ROger will say “next year is a prove it year” while blowing O and now you’re trying to say we should even wait till after the show me year to extend his contract, and buyout
We have 3 years left. Take 1 more to see if we’re wctually trending up
You and ROger will say “next year is a prove it year” while blowing O and now you’re trying to say we should even wait till after the show me year to extend his contract, and buyout
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 8:44 am
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:47 am to TrevRollings29
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1. LSU's record this year is largely based on their defensive performance.
2. LSU's offense performed better under Matt Canada than it has under Steve.
3. The staff looks a whole lot like it did under Miles - many of the same people.
4. LSU's recruiting has trended down
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:56 am to GetmorewithLes
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This is why you people are posting on a message board and not running anything...
No this is why the people running things are constantly paying millions in buyouts.
He has 3 full seasons left on his contract
He is not a lame duck
He isn’t a lame duck after NEXT season.
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One of the biggest issues of a HC extension is keeping continuity in recruiting and keeping the staff together. If CEO does not have a vote of confidence of the Admin then several of these coaches walk
Have any of these coaches that we wanted walked?
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2017 team overachieved and could have done better
Yeah this is 100% bullshite. We went 2-4 vs teams that were over .500
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 9:09 am
Posted on 2/1/19 at 9:43 am to SammyTiger
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Posted on 2/1/19 at 9:45 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Then get off the thread. You don’t have to be here.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 9:56 am to SammyTiger
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Then get off the thread. You don’t have to be here.
Ooooo. Another keyboard Mack Daddy. GFY
Posted on 2/1/19 at 9:59 am to Buckeye Jeaux
I am Sure whatever Ohio middle school you go to has a snow day, but why are you posting in a thread you think should be over?
Sorry but as an alum who will be a fan in 2020 after Joe Burrow graduates, I would like to see some fiscal responsibility from my AD so I dont have To pay 20 dollars for nachos so we can bay Os 9 million dollar buyout.
Sorry but as an alum who will be a fan in 2020 after Joe Burrow graduates, I would like to see some fiscal responsibility from my AD so I dont have To pay 20 dollars for nachos so we can bay Os 9 million dollar buyout.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 10:03 am to TrevRollings29
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If you subtract the overtime debacle against Texas A&M, LSU's defense finished top 5 in scoring defense and the offense somewhere past 50.
No games should be subtracted. They all count. Be that as it may, I would suggest that if you use ranking to determine the success or failure of D.C. and OC, then you open yourself up to an argument that ranking should also gauge the HC. By that measure, O finished in top 10. A much higher rank than his pay.
By the same measure, Aranda finished below his pay.
For the record, my jury is still out on HC. 2017 was disappointing. 2018 showed promise, but major questions on offense and OC's ability to incorporate a modern passing game. This year will be critical in determining if SE is the right man for the OC job.
Finally, the line about staff looks same has already been refuted by facts. Not counting Coach O, only 4 of the 10 asst coaches from Miles are still here. And 2 of the 4 are in completely different roles.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 10:05 am to SammyTiger
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Take 1 more to see if we’re wctually trending up
Not saying it will happen, but if LSU wins title or makes it to CFP, the price of the extension will go up, exponentially.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 10:06 am to beauxroux
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Not saying it will happen, but if LSU wins title or makes it to CFP, the price of the extension will go up, exponentially.
And justifiably so.
But if he wins a Title or CFP he’s getting a new contract regardless of this year.
We’re not paying him 3.5 million at that point.
If we have an amazing season we’re going to be renegotiating anyway
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 10:07 am
Posted on 2/1/19 at 10:07 am to beauxroux
quote:
if LSU wins title or makes it to CFP, the price of the extension will go up, exponentially.
I think we should be willing to take that risk.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 10:08 am to SammyTiger
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Sorry but as an alum who will be a fan in 2020 after Joe Burrow graduates, I would like to see some fiscal responsibility from my AD so I dont have To pay 20 dollars for nachos so we can bay Os 9 million dollar buyout.
Scrimping on the HC's salary isn't fiscal responsibility. 35 Power-5 coaches make more than O. Only a handful of Power-5 coaches had better seasons.
Pro tip: Stop by the 7-11 on your way to the game. Load up on nachos.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 10:12 am to SammyTiger
Point taken.
In negotiations, little things like extending contract before "absolute proof" of CFP or national title, can save big dollars in the long run. Waiting, can harbor ill feelings and hurt pride and raise the ultimate price significantly.
However, either route is taking a gamble. And hindsight will be 20/20.
In negotiations, little things like extending contract before "absolute proof" of CFP or national title, can save big dollars in the long run. Waiting, can harbor ill feelings and hurt pride and raise the ultimate price significantly.
However, either route is taking a gamble. And hindsight will be 20/20.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 10:12 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Scrimping on the HC's salary isn't fiscal responsibility. 35 Power-5 coaches make more than O. Only a handful of Power-5 coaches had better seasons.
This argument makes 0 sense.
We’re getting a great deal! Too 5 finish for too 35 money is a GOOD thing. We also need to save that money for our top 5 coaching staff salary and ever increasing analyst pool.
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Pro tip: Stop by the 7-11 on your way to the game. Load up on nachos.
Listen up, carpetbagger
No 7-11s in Baton Rouge, and I assume even the Horseshoe prohibits outside food
Posted on 2/1/19 at 10:15 am to LSUgrad1998
46 people actually are for extending O’s contract? Seriously? Why? What’s the hurry?
Posted on 2/1/19 at 10:16 am to Mo Jeaux
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I think we should be willing to take that risk.
Without agreeing or disagreeing, reasonable minds may differ, as we have seen in this thread.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 10:17 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 2/1/19 at 10:18 am to beauxroux
there is pretty much a market price for a championship coachZ
We’d be lucky to only have to pay him 6 mill a year, he’s probably get 7. That’s just the going rate.
At this point we gave a guy with a 16-27 record a chance to coach an elite program, I dint Think we owe O anything till he earns it. He’s gotten all the love and support he deserves and more so.
We’d be lucky to only have to pay him 6 mill a year, he’s probably get 7. That’s just the going rate.
At this point we gave a guy with a 16-27 record a chance to coach an elite program, I dint Think we owe O anything till he earns it. He’s gotten all the love and support he deserves and more so.
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