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re: Tim Williams on playing LSU
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:45 pm to thunderbird1100
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:45 pm to thunderbird1100
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Miles is as great as some make him out to be, he would have ZERO issue getting a new job, wherever that is.
That's not true. List all these 63 year old coaches getting offers at major programs.
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T's not like he's on the bad side of his early 60's
There are 2 coaches in cfb as old or older than Miles.
Good god.
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If Nick Saban was fired tomorrow every team in the country would make him an offer
Yeah if youre maybe the best coach in the history of cfb. Are you under the impression i think Miles is anywhere near the coach Saban is?
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It's way less to do about age
So youre just dismissing that miles would be the oldest coach to be given a p5 job in the last decade?
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way more to do with the fact the entire country got to see his problem,
Holy shite. Are you under the impression that winning 10 games is considered underachieving everywhere? There are about 10 programs that wouldn't consider 2011-2015 as epic. Lsu just happens to be one.
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That shows a guy unwilling to change, and what team would want to a hire a coach who wants to instill his offense which CLEARLY rarely ever works?
Rarely works? Holy shite. Ok.
You do realize that 4 of the 5 most productive offenses in lsu history are under miles, right? Let me guess you dont give him credit for those.
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And Charlie weis? Come on man, he was terrible.
That was my point. The retread nature of cfb head coaching gave Charlie does multiple chances. If a 55 year old coach with a national title,another title game appearance,and one of the best win % in sec history were on the market( regardless of his offense) he would be getting offers.
Its amazing how posters like you say his age isnt an issue when no one his age has been hired at a p5 program in the last decade.
Of course his offense is a reason, but his age is even bigger.
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Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:46 pm to Rickdaddy4188
But yet ended up with a worse record than all of those teams.... but don't let facts get in the way of your stupidity......
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:47 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
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Mark richt had no problem getting a great job at miami soon after he was fired at uga.
So not as old as miles. Cool.
You must really think ed Orgeron sucks if not getting offers means you suck.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:52 pm to dukke v
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But yet ended up with a worse record than all of those teams.... but don't let facts get in the way of your stupidity......
I think ill start calling you radio.
Do you remember your post Drunky Brewster......
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Why did LSU's OFFENSE look putrid for all off 2015
Your were proven wrong. Deal with it boy.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:54 pm to Rickdaddy4188
His offensive game plan has way more to do with him not getting a job than his age.... your love for Miles shows no limits.... I don't care what you say .... you will defend him until the day you pass...... Miles was really good here at times and yes there quite a few coaches in this country the last ten years that could have done what Miles did here with the talent available. Or even better..... if Jimbo was here the last ten years with this talent he wins more than one title. Hell if Bill Snyder was here the last ten years he would have probably won more than one title with this kind of talent..... LSU won more games on sheer talent than they did because of Miles... and again .... say what you want but there are about 5-6 schools in the country that recruit themselves and LSU is one of them.....
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:57 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Those stats mean nothing compared to the FINAL SCORE..... we got raped by 3tds against Ole Miss... all those yards meant nothing....
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:59 pm to dukke v
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His offensive game plan has way more to do with him not getting a job than his age.... your love for Miles shows no limits.... I don't care what you say .... you will defend him until the day you pass...... Miles was really good here at times and yes there quite a few coaches in this country the last ten years that could have done what Miles did here with the talent available. Or even better..... if Jimbo was here the last ten years with this talent he wins more than one title. Hell if Bill Snyder was here the last ten years he would have probably won more than one title with this kind of talent..... LSU won more games on sheer talent than they did because of Miles... and again .... say what you want but there are about 5-6 schools in the country that recruit themselves and LSU is one of them.....
Lsu recruit itself? You really don't know shite about cfb. Why did we lose so many LA recruits since lsu recruits itself? Its amazing how all these recruits credit individual coaches for the reason they come to lsu. They are some lying people.
That stupidity rivals your previous ignorance of blasting lsu for having the offense looks to the sideline for the next play because you had no clue that every program does this because the ncaa doesnt allow helmet radios.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:01 pm to dukke v
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Those stats mean nothing compared to the FINAL SCORE..... we got raped by 3tds against Ole Miss... all those yards meant nothing..
You said......
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Why did LSU's offense look putrid for all off 2015
Try to look shite up before posting ignorant shite. Lsu's 2015 offense didnt look putrid all year and facts(no one cares about you alcoholic opinions)prove it.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:06 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Again.... if you say that every team stopped after getting to the line of scrimmage and the dhole offense looked at the sideline you are stupid...... it's funny how AFTER Miles left the offense didn't do this.... Stanford doesn't do it, USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma, FSU, Bama, Michigan, I could go on and on about teams that DONT look to the sideline like LSU'S offense did under Miles... on every play... then they would run the play clock down to the point to have to call a timeout, and then not get the next play off until right before the clock runs out because of confusion after the time out....... this has nothing to do with radios in the helmets, it has to do with running a smooth offense.....
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:29 pm to dukke v
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Again.... if you say that every team stopped after getting to the line of scrimmage and the dhole offense looked at the sideline you are stupid..
Every team in cfb looks to the sideline for the next play.
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it's funny how AFTER Miles left the offense didn't do this.
Yes they do dumbass. There are no helmet radios. Please explain how they get the next play if they aren't looking to the sideline?
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Stanford doesn't do it, USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma, FSU, Bama, Michigan, I could go on and on about teams that DONT look to the sideline like LSU'S offense did under Miles... on every play.
Yes they do. My god you have the football knowledge of concrete.
Are you under the assumption that there are can qbs and calling their own plays?
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this has nothing to do with radios in the helmets, it has to do with running a smooth offense.....
Wow.
Please explain where the teams gets the next play from? Is it telepathy? Every team IN CFB looks to the sideline to get the next play. Whether they are getting signals from a player or coach or looking at a sign. The fact that you dont kmow this simple fact is telling. It's common knowledge that the next play comes from the sideline in cfb.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:34 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Mark richt had no problem getting a great job at miami soon after he was fired at uga.
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So not as old as miles.
Rick - the age argument doesn't really fly. Yes, Miles is 63, but there's a lot of years left in him so that wouldn't deter a school from scooping him up if they thought he was a really good coach. I did zero research, but immediately thought of Nebraska, which hired Mike Riley a couple years ago, and Riley is a few months older than Miles.
Now sure, at some point, age makes a difference. If Les was 73 then yea. But 63 -- come on. If a school thought he was a really good coach, they know they could easily get 7, 8, 10 years from him.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:38 pm to dukke v
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What's more, it has allowed Kiffin to take greater control during games. Rather than let the quarterback audible at the line of scrimmage, Kiffin can do it himself from the sideline using play cards and hard signals.
Bama called audible in the sideline too. You have no idea what youre talking about.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:40 pm to atltiger6487
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Rick - the age argument doesn't really fly
He would be the oldest coach hired at a p5 program in a decade. Posters like you keep saying it doesmt matter yet cant name it once in the last decade.
There are 2 coaches older than miles out of 126 teams and youre sitting here saying it doesnt fly. Good god.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:43 pm to atltiger6487
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But 63 -- come on. If a school thought he was a really good coach, they know they could easily get 7, 8, 10 years from him.
Wow. Guess how many 73 year old coaches there are.lets also not act like there were tons of p5 jobs open. Kiffen was highly sought after and he had to take Florida Atlantic
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:45 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Only one thing wrong with your FACTS... you included some falsehoods that are factually incorrect in your statement.
The best coach in cfb with by far the most talent loses to an inferior team every year.
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Why did LSU's offense look putrid for all off 2015
just another time where facts prove youre football ignorant.
We finished above BAMA,OHIO STATE AND FSU in offensive yards per game, offensive points per game,offensive yards per play. But hey don't let facts get in the way of you being ignorant
LSU finished BEHIND the 2 of the 3 (Bama & tOSU) teams you mentioned in points/gm in scoring offense. Additionally Arky, MSU, and Ole Miss were better with scoring offense in 2015. Note that's 4 SEC-W opponents with a higher ranked scoring offense.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:52 pm to I20goon
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LSU finished BEHIND the 2 of the 3 (Bama & tOSU) teams you mentioned in points/gm in scoring offense.
Lsu finishes above all 3 in OFFENSIVE POINTS PER GAME
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Additionally Arky, MSU, and Ole Miss were better with scoring offense in 2015. Note that's 4 SEC-W opponents with a higher ranked scoring offense.
that in no way disproves my post that lsu wasnt putrid on offense all year. This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 4:06 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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That's not true. List all these 63 year old coaches getting offers at major programs.
Butch Davis at 65 just got the FIU job for $1M/year. IF he wants to limit himself to only power 5 jobs, then that's on him. It makes it that much tougher because it'll be REALLY tough for larger programs want to hire a guy who clearly wouldn't change in his ways that weren't working, nothing to do with age really.
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There are 2 coaches in cfb as old or older than Miles.
Nick Saban is as old as Miles, you think if he was canned today every program wouldn't want him? Let's be honest here, it's not age preventing him from getting another job, it's the way he went out here.
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Yeah if youre maybe the best coach in the history of cfb. Are you under the impression i think Miles is anywhere near the coach Saban is?
Didn't say that, but the fact is Miles had a solid career here yet STILL cant get a job elsewhere. 21 jobs open this offseason in division I and nobody offered him a position. It's not because of age, he could easily coach another 5-10 years. Why do you think age is such a big limiting factor? It's not like coaches last long on average at programs they are at these days. So why would they care if they know he cant coach for the next 20 years, who does coach for 20 years anywhere anymore?
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So youre just dismissing that miles would be the oldest coach to be given a p5 job in the last decade?
Butch Davis at 65 just got the FIU job which is a 7 figure job. Sorry, not buying it. If you want nitpick this and that and limit to a few jobs open every year then so be it, fact is it's not like teams think he will croak tomorrow. He looks very healthy and is in great shape. He could easily coach for another 5-10 years, no question. Steve Spurrier got hired by South Carolina in his 60s and he coached there into his 70s.
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Holy shite. Are you under the impression that winning 10 games is considered underachieving everywhere? There are about 10 programs that wouldn't consider 2011-2015 as epic. Lsu just happens to be one.
He won games here because we had an great to elite DCs (most of time) and elite talent. Miles was never, and will never be a mastermind X's and O's coach. You're talking about a guy who wanted to spike it with 1 second left in a game. No, not every program in america pulls in the talent like we do, nor has had the line of DCs we've had. It's not like winning 10 games here qualifies you to do that everywhere because very very very few programs have the advantages that we had here when Miles was here. Great recruiter, great motivator, sure...but a SERIOUS flaw that was absolutely his undoing here.
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Rarely works? Holy shite. Ok.
Are you fricking stupid? Why the hell do you think he got fired? Outside of 2013 our offenses his last several years here were pretty pitiful considering the amount of talent we had here. Great, we put up 48 points on Western Kentucky, then followed it up with 16 against Bama, 14 against Arkansas and 17 against Ole Miss. Miles would love to lean on defense/special teams to do all the dirty work and have a boring, predictable, conservative offense that was predicated on our guys simply being better than the opposing guys to see real success. Guess what, in a world of cfb where offenses are simply getting more and more dynamic and higher powered, a 1960s offense doesnt work so well, especially when you get 1 year of good QB play out of your last several.
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You do realize that 4 of the 5 most productive offenses in lsu history are under miles, right? Let me guess you dont give him credit for those.
Damn, he beat out those 1970s offenses?!?! Never would have thought offenses from the 2000s and 2010s would be better than offenses from decades ago, or when we sucked sh*t in the 90s. Congrats on coming to the realization EVERYBODY'S OFFENSES are better now than they were a long time ago. Good job Nostradumbass.
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Of course his offense is a reason, but his age is even bigger.
No, the offense is definitely the prevailing reason, you're using age as a cop out. He could EASILY coach another 5-10 years anywhere which is way more than the average tenure these days. South Carolina hired Holtz in his 60s and Spurrier in his 60s. In terms of success, those are very similar coaches.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 4:30 pm to thunderbird1100
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Butch Davis at 65 just got the FIU job for $1M/year. IF he wants to limit himself to only power 5 jobs, then that's on him. It makes it that much tougher because it'll be REALLY tough for larger programs want to hire a guy who clearly wouldn't change in his ways that weren't working, nothing to do with age really.
So not a p5 program?
Look in not saying his offense isnt a reason. It may be the 2nd biggest reason. But his age is the biggest road block. Again he would be the oldest coach to be offered a p5 job in a decade.
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larger programs want to hire a guy who clearly wouldn't change in his ways that weren't working
Holy shite. You do realize that his last 4 full seasons( not even counting 2011) had 10 wins 3 of his last 4 years right( yes im counting mcneese)? You are acting like we had losing seasons. The last 4 years he had at lsu 99% of cfn programs would kill for that.my god. Do you really believe that most ad wouldn't love to consistently finish in the top 15?
He coached for 11 years in the most talent rich divisions in cfb and his worst year was 8-5. The facts that you think most ads wouldn't love that tells meall I need to know. 95 of all can programs wouldve killed for lsu's last 5 years.
Again I ask, if not getting head coaching job offers means you suck then you must think ed orgeron is one of the worst coaches ever.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 4:36 pm to thunderbird1100
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No, the offense is definitely the prevailing reason, you're using age as a cop ou
I'm using facts dumbass. Please show me all these 63 year old coaches getting offers at major programs.
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He could EASILY coach another 5-10 years anywhere which is way more than the average tenure these days.
Holy shite. Ads dont hire head coaches with the hope of hiring a coach in 5 years. There is 1 fricking coach coaching at 73 and he wouldn't be hired anywhere but at Kansas State yet football ignorant posters like you are telling me age doesnt have shite to do with it.
2 coaches at p5 programs older than miles but yeah means nothing. Educate yourself.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 5:05 pm to thunderbird1100
I tried to let you reach this on your own but it's clear you won't.
Which do you see happen more?
Fired coaches get hired somewhere else?
Or
63 year old coaches getting offers at major programs?
Which do you see happen more?
Fired coaches get hired somewhere else?
Or
63 year old coaches getting offers at major programs?
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