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re: USA Today article this morning
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:05 am to Big4SALTbro
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:05 am to Big4SALTbro
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Alleva continues to be possibly the worst ad ever
Who would have guessed that he would frick up a sexual assault case?
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Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:06 am to kajunman
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Guice is the key imo
The Drake Davis situation is just as damaging and likely provides more culpability as the WR coach sat in on interviews for the investigation.
Are we really to believe O’s receivers coach didn’t tell him one of his WRs was being investigated for repeated allegations of domestic violence against another student athlete?
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 7:07 am
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:07 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Let’s be honest. We all know there is no way Mickey, at the least, wasn’t telling O exactly what was going in with this situation, and it was likely widely discussed with Mickey, O, Verge, Lewis and others.
You don’t think it’s possible nobody told Orgeron? Here’s what the culture apparently looked like in the athletic department:
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Upon learning of the abuse, Richardson went to Ausberry, a mentor, in tears. She, too, had been abused by Davis, she told Ausberry, then the deputy athletic director.
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“Ausberry stated he immediately told her that he didn’t want to hear anymore and that she needed to speak with Segar since it sounded like a dating issue and that it dealt with (Davis) which he already knew there was an investigation,” the report reads. “Ausberry said he provided (Richardson) with Segar’s phone number and told her that she really needed to disclose this information to Segar.”
If there’s a culture in the entire department of “hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil,” it’s entirely possible that Orgeron wasn’t made aware of the allegations early on.
Besides, the first time I saw Mickey Joseph involved in the last article was after the Title IX investigation was open.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:07 am to Tiger Voodoo
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To be fair, the article includes an email from Joe Alleva instructing athletic department employees to run sexual misconduct allegations through Miriam Segar.
But that’s in lieu of going through the Title IX office. That doesn’t mean the WR coach and recruiting director wouldn’t still inform the head football coach about something of that level concerning one of his players just as a practical matter.
For complaints to be run through an official such as Lewis rather than directly to the Title IX office is a red flag to the investigators. It looks like Lewis was the "fixer" to them. Regardless of if she was, that is the method others use to squash such complaints.
I do not think Orgeron's knowledge matters at this point insofar as what the NCAA is going to offer as punishment.
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 7:09 am
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:08 am to Hurricane2020
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If so could all this be slammed on Segar for refusal to perform her job task, and using personal bias to decide who does or doesn't get reported to Title IX?
Countdown to Segar becoming the star witness in the NCAA’s case against LSU in 3, 2......
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 7:09 am
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:10 am to nicholastiger
Can someone explain to me after the Duke debacle how a program such as LSU even hires him? This guy is the worst
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:13 am to Anaximander
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For complaints to be run through an official such as Lewis rather than directly to the Title IX office is a red flag to the investigators. It looks like Lewis was the "fixer" to them. Regardless of if she was, that is the method others use to squash such complaints.
I do not think Orgeron's knowledge matters at this point insofar as what the NCAA is going to offer as punishment.
Completely agree.
My point about O’s knowledge was in relation to people trying to say well Verge and Lewis are fricked but O is “safe”.
NCAA can use a more practical approach as to who would have known what than federal Title IX investigators would be able to.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:13 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Are we really to believe O’s receivers coach didn’t tell him one of his WRs was being investigated for repeated allegations of domestic violence against another student athlete?
we are to believe that you will repeat this over and over in hopes you get what you desire...O fired.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:14 am to lostinbr
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Besides, the first time I saw Mickey Joseph involved in the last article was after the Title IX investigation was open.
And Davis stayed on the team long after that.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:14 am to Tiger Voodoo
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The Drake Davis situation is just as damaging and likely provides more culpability as the WR coach sat in on interviews for the investigation.
Are we really to believe O’s receivers coach didn’t tell him one of his WRs was being investigated for repeated allegations of domestic violence against another student athlete?
The Title IX investigation was already underway. Davis was suspended during offseason workouts. You’re acting like Orgeron being aware after the Title IX department investigation began would be damning for him. The question is whether he knew before the Title IX office was notified.
To your previous statement:
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I know there are many here that would put O’s future above the university’s
I know there are many here that would put firing O with cause above actually getting to the root of the problem.
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And Davis stayed on the team long after that.
Whatever happened after that would have been in the hands of the Title IX coordinator.
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 7:17 am
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:15 am to Topwater Trout
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we are to believe that you will repeat this over and over in hopes you get what you desire...O fired.
So the WR coach didn’t tell the HC in your opinion
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:16 am to Tiger Voodoo
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My point about O’s knowledge was in relation to people trying to say well Verge and Lewis are fricked but O is “safe”.
Not trying to be confrontational. My thought was O doing more right than wrong and not being fully aware. Maybe I'm wrong.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:16 am to r0cky1
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Can someone explain to me after the Duke debacle how a program such as LSU even hires him? This guy is the worst
This was a question many of us have asked for years. It’s mind boggling.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:20 am to kajunman
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Not trying to be confrontational. My thought was O doing more right than wrong and not being fully aware. Maybe I'm wro
O's knowledge may be irrelevant to what is going to happen to LSU at this point. With the AD involved in setting up what the NCAA sees as a department fixed and Ausberry deciding to believe a guy who just admitted he hit his girlfriend the NCAA will bare teeth. The NCAA is probably wondering why AUsberry is not on suspension.
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 7:21 am
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:24 am to kajunman
Sorry but in today's hyper Woke NWO, Orgeron is 100% responsible and should be terminated.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:25 am to Anaximander
Ausberry is the one who should have been in trouble. He had the text from Davis admitting the assault and did nothing.
That is unacceptable for being in his position.
That is unacceptable for being in his position.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:27 am to Tiger Voodoo
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My point about O’s knowledge was in relation to people trying to say well Verge and Lewis are fricked but O is “safe”.
NCAA can use a more practical approach as to who would have known what than federal Title IX investigators would be able to.
I do not trust some of the folks involved with LSU to not make up involvement from O to preserve their ability to work in the field again, And O's history, while long ago and under circumstances he handled, does not work well for him if someone tries to set him up as the fall guy.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:27 am to lostinbr
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The Title IX investigation was already underway. Davis was suspended during offseason workouts. You’re acting like Orgeron being aware after the Title IX department investigation began would be damning for him. The question is whether he knew before the Title IX office was notified.
I’m not just talking about the Title IX meeting.
The investigation wasn’t filed until over a year after the first complaint, the interview was months after that and Davis wasn’t expelled until almost a year later after he was actually convicted.
Other players said Mickey was checking in with Davis on a weekly basis to be sure they were staying away from each other, obviously unsuccessfully as the contact and abuse continued.
The original article actually said Verge had an admission and deleted the text months before.
The entire situation is disgusting and anyone trying to say this person is “safe” and this person is “screwed” is disingenuous imo.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:28 am to Tiger Voodoo
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So the WR coach didn’t tell the HC in your opinion
I can't say with any certainty he did...maybe he told him and that he ran it through the proper channels. Would O need to follow up to see if he did?
Posted on 12/15/20 at 7:28 am to nicholastiger
quote:Why not?
Not linking it
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