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re: Vision, philosophy, and planning for a HC
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:06 pm to Tiger Ree
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:06 pm to Tiger Ree
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All of those coaches had philosophies and incorporated other elements to adapt to the times
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I thought you said they had a "bible" and stuck to it. Is it okay for them to change but not Coach Eaux? That was the point of your earlier post about the "bible", REMEMBER?
The point is they have a vision of what they want to do in the first place and they add wrinkles to it. No one even knows what Orgeron's base philosophy is. He doesn't even know because he doesn't have one.
Everyone knows what a Saban offense looks like. Everyone knows what a Joe Gibbs offense looks like.
No one knows what an Orgeron offense looks like because at OM he wanted one thing, a USC-like offense with a Reggie Bush type of back. He came here and said he wanted a spread offense, then he goes and hires Matt Canada. There's zero continuity between any of those ideas.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 1:08 pm
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:07 pm to Tiger Ree
Why are you so dramatic and responding like a teenage girl? "Your thread sucks and you're a moron!"lmao Dude, learn how to conversate with people maturely and intelligently if you want people to take your points (which lack any real substance) seriously.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:18 pm to Goldrush25
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at OM he wanted one thing, a USC-like offense with a Reggie Bush type of back. He came here and said he wanted a spread offense, then he goes and hires Matt Canada. There's zero continuity between any of those ideas
You're really stretching to try to prove that your original thought is bullshite. Go ahead and make excuses for other teams coaches while giving no credit to LSU's coach.
What is your favorite college team by the way? Bama huh?
Coach Eaux was going to run the spread with Kiffin. When Kiffin got a HC job, coach Eaux hired the best guy that wasn't even available and had turned down other offers. Yeah, but that is a bad thing because Eaux did it. If Saban had done it you'd be jumping for joy and using it as a point to support your bullshite argument.
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There's zero continuity between any of those ideas
Saban's didn't change when he hired a West Coast guy? Was that continuity for your hero?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:25 pm to Andychapman13
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Why are you so dramatic and responding like a teenage girl?
I can see why it would seem like that to you. You are the one who started a thread about Vision, philosophy, and planning for a HC.
And then listed a coach who is 0-2 with a loss to a very talented and GREAT team like NC St at HOME and another with the same record as Coach Eaux this season including a 31-16 loss at HOME to a less talented team.
I think that was being a little drama queen and looking for something to cry about. Sorry for listing some facts that disappoint you. Go ahead and cry and be miserable. Sorry, didn't mean to distract you.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:27 pm to Tiger Ree
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Coach Eaux was going to run the spread with Kiffin. When Kiffin got a HC job, coach Eaux hired the best guy that wasn't even available and had turned down other offers. Yeah, but that is a bad thing because Eaux did it. If Saban had done it you'd be jumping for joy and using it as a point to support your bull shite argument.
Canada was the the best guy? That's at best debatable.
Canada's not a spread guy and Orgeron said he wanted to run the spread. How do you decide that quickly to ditch your plan because a particular coach wasn't available? There are other spread guys besides Kiffin.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:32 pm to Goldrush25
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The best guy? Canada's not a spread guy and Orgeron said he wanted to run the spread. How do you decide that quickly to ditch your plan because a particular coach wasn't available? There are other spread guys besides Kiffin.
Yeah, but they didn't have the 9th ranked scoring offense in the nation while coaching at Pittsburgh of all places.
The other spread guys weren't the only OC's to beat Clemson.
The other spread guys weren't the only OC's to beat the team that beat Alabama in the NC game and finish as the #1 team in the nation.
who would you have hired? What spread guy do you like?
Do you think hiring the OC who had the #8 scoring offense in the nation and ran the only offense that beat NC Clemson was a bad decision for Coach Eaux?
Share your great wisdom and tell me what you would have done when Kiffin got a HC job and recruiting season was in full swing.
I can't wait for your response !!!
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:34 pm to Andychapman13
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I just don't believe Orgeron has that vision
Of course not, he has a binder!
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:35 pm to Tiger Ree
Both of those guys have national championships in the past 5 years and also at least one other CFP appearance. They have a history of success. Orgeron does not. In fact, history as a head coach is one of failure. Meyer was successful at Utah, won 2 nattys at UF, and has since won one with OSU. Jimbo's only stretch as a head coach has been at FSU and by all standards it's been successful. O's stint as a head coach was unsuccessful. Those are all pretty indisputable common knowledge facts.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:45 pm to Tiger Ree
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Do you think hiring the OC who had the #8 scoring offense in the nation and ran the only offense that beat NC Clemson was a bad decision for Coach Eaux?
Wouldn't have been my first choice, seeing as most of his other offenses have been pedestrian. Pittsburgh appears to be an outlier.
But that is how your mind works. You don't take a long-term approach to anything. It's all about cherry picking whatever you want to fit your narrative.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:48 pm to Goldrush25
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But that is how your mind works. You don't take a long-term approach to anything.
How else could he get on here and bash Jimbo and Meyer and dare assert that they're not championship caliber coaches?
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:52 pm to Andychapman13
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Both of those guys have national championships in the past 5 years and also at least one other CFP appearance. They have a history of success
And Coach Eaux has a better record than one of them and the same record as the other. both of the GREAT coaches you used have HOME losses to inferior opponents. Coach Eaux in his first season on the job does not.
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In fact, history as a head coach is one of failure.
And he still has a better record than Jimbo and the same record as Urban. Sucks doesn't it????
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Meyer was successful at Utah, won 2 nattys at UF, and has since won one with OSU.
And this season? I think he lost 38-16 to Oklahoma at HOME. Somebody forget to tell OU about all the shite Urban had accomplished.
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Jimbo's only stretch as a head coach has been at FSU and by all standards it's been successful.
I just saw in another thread that Jimbo is 5-5 in his last 10 games. Can you imagine the shite Coach Eaux would be catching if he had that record instead of being 4-1 as the LSU head coach?
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O's stint as a head coach was unsuccessful.
Yeah, I agree 4-1 sucks the big one. If he could only be 5-5 like Jimbo. Then he will be onto something. We can only hope. I also hope we don't play NC State this year. They are great - their only loss was to South Carolina by 7 at a neutral site - The are VERY GOOD !!!
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Those are all pretty indisputable common knowledge facts.
Yes they are. Jimbo 0-2, Urban 3-1, Eaux 3-1 and 4-1 all time as LSU head coach. No way to dispute those common knowledge facts.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 1:56 pm to Tiger Ree
You do realize the only reason I'm still trolling you is so that my OP will stay at the top of the list and get more likes, right?!?!
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:03 pm to Goldrush25
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It's all about cherry picking whatever you want to fit your narrative.
Says the guy with the "bible" post about successful coaches and not changing. Then bashes coach Eaux for doing the same thing. Good job Bama fan !!!
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:06 pm to Tiger Ree
You still haven't addressed why you dipped out like a coward after the MSU game. That was some seriously weak tea.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:06 pm to Tiger Ree
It not enough to have a vision or philosophy. It has to actually work and win.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:07 pm to Andychapman13
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How else could he get on here and bash Jimbo and Meyer and dare assert that they're not championship caliber coaches?
I'm not bashing them. Just pointing out that when they do something it's ALL GOOD. When Coach Eaux does the same exact thing, he should be more like those guys.
WAIT, he is just like them !!!
Oh shite, must be Tiger Ree and him bashing the guys who did the same thing Coach Eaux is doing. Has to be, right?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:09 pm to Tiger Ree
They've won natty's, never had losing seasons as head coaches. O has only had losing seasons as a head coach. Same thing, I get it, no further need to explain, smart guy!
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:10 pm to Goldrush25
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You still haven't addressed why you dipped out like a coward after the MSU game. That was some seriously weak tea.
Have you not noticed the board this week after a win? Are you really that stupid?
It doesn't matter what LSU and Coach Eaux does, this board sucks year round and after an LSU loss or close win it is unbearable.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:13 pm to SOL
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It not enough to have a vision or philosophy. It has to actually work and win.
Really, 3-1 is not winning? What is your idea of a win. Undefeated with an O-line that is not that good?
What would you do if you were the head coach? Let me know what you can do better than Coach Eaux and I will pass it on.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:14 pm to Andychapman13
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They've won natty's, never had losing seasons as head coaches. O has only had losing seasons as a head coach
Are you still crying about shite that happened over a decade ago?
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