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re: Vision, philosophy, and planning for a HC
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:29 pm to Tiger Ree
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:29 pm to Tiger Ree
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Really, 3-1 is not winning? What is your idea of a win. Undefeated with an O-line that is not that good?
You're being disingenuous if you're trying to imply that those 3 wins mean anywhere near what that one loss means.
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:38 pm to Goldrush25
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You're being disingenuous if you're trying to imply that those 3 wins mean anywhere near what that one loss means.
Wins are bad?
Losing to NC St at home is good?
Losing to Oklahoma 31-16 at home is good?
But a first year head coach going 3-1 sucks?
Explain please? I must be missing how Jimbo being 0-2 and Urban being 3-1 is so much greater than Coach Eaux being 3-1?
I mean Urban and Jimbo have "Vision, philosophy, and planning". Have been at their schools multiple years and still have worse or the same record as Eaux. what's the deal?
Is Eaux as good or better than them? Do they suck?
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:42 pm to Tiger Ree
If O played Oklahoma, Alabama, NC State, he'd have zero wins this year.
Sucks when all you have to hang your hat on is beating BYU, Chatt, and Syracuse (barely).
Is that 30-point loss to MS State (who UGA destroyed) really that easy for you to ignore?
Nice mental gymnastics.
Sucks when all you have to hang your hat on is beating BYU, Chatt, and Syracuse (barely).
Is that 30-point loss to MS State (who UGA destroyed) really that easy for you to ignore?
Nice mental gymnastics.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:47 pm to Andychapman13
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I just don't believe Orgeron has that vision, philosophy, and when you lack those 2 things it's hard to develop a plan.
He seems to talk about former coaches and mentors a lot. But at this point you need to have developed your own and just check in with the other guys you learned from. I don’t see it yet, I could be wrong but I just don’t see it.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:50 pm to SeekGreatness
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Sucks when all you have to hang your hat on is beating BYU, Chatt, and Syracuse (barely).
Didn't read the OP did you? I'm pointing out that losing to Oklahoma by a large margin at HOME and losing to NC St at HOME is not a good comparison when trying to cry about LSU being 3-1 on the season. Their coaches have "Vision, philosophy, and planning" and have worse or the same records as a coach who doesn't.
What's the deal with that?
Oh, and NC St is a GREAT team. Their only loss was to South Carolina at a neutral site. They are one of the top 5 teams in regards to talent and should be ranked in the top 3 in the polls. Not discounting the home loss of Jimbo in that one.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:56 pm to Tiger Ree
FSU is missing their starting QB, and barely lost to NC St, a team that's about the same level as MSU. They didn't get smashed in an uncompetitive game.
And OSU lost to the #3 team in the country. Still didn't lose as bad as Orgeron did.
And OSU lost to the #3 team in the country. Still didn't lose as bad as Orgeron did.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 2:59 pm to Andychapman13
Instead LSU went back to the 80's by hiring O
Ensminger and Jenkins are in the fold
Aranda and Canada are really outsiders when it comes to this area and region
Pomansky was the worst hire in the history of the program
Ensminger and Jenkins are in the fold
Aranda and Canada are really outsiders when it comes to this area and region
Pomansky was the worst hire in the history of the program
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:06 pm to Goldrush25
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FSU is missing their starting QB, and barely lost to NC St, a team that's about the same level as MSU. They didn't get smashed in an uncompetitive game.
And OSU lost to the #3 team in the country. Still didn't lose as bad as Orgeron did.
Yeah, but those coaches (as stated in the OP) have "Vision, philosophy, and planning". What happened? Can a first year coach do as good as those guys?
LSU obviously has no "Vision, philosophy, and planning". but still has better or the same records with no losses at HOME?
What's the deal? Tell me about the "Vision, philosophy, and planning" that they have.
Thanks !!!
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:08 pm to Goldrush25
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FSU is missing their starting QB, and barely lost to NC St,
Are you making excuses for the FSU coach - who is the QB whisperer? And I thought you were a Bama fan.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:10 pm to nicholastiger
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Aranda and Canada are really outsiders when it comes to this area and region
You want to fire Aranda? Who would you hire in his place?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:36 pm to Tiger Ree
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Yeah, but those coaches (as stated in the OP) have "Vision, philosophy, and planning". What happened? Can a first year coach do as good as those guys?
LSU obviously has no "Vision, philosophy, and planning". but still has better or the same records with no losses at HOME?
You're being willfully obtuse at this point.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:02 pm to Tiger Ree
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LSU obviously has no "Vision, philosophy, and planning". but still has better or the same records with no losses at HOME? What's the deal? Tell me about the "Vision, philosophy, and planning" that they have. Thanks !!!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't O go on record saying that he "didn't set any goals with this team" after the Moo St loss?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:19 pm to Andychapman13
Appreciate the thread and think it's spot on!
I watched the TCU-OSU game last weekend and couldn't help but notice the PRESENCE of Patterson on the sideline. You could tell he was intensely engaged throughout the game and as he moved along the sideline his assistants followed his gaze expecting to have to answer for something if he headed their way. It left no doubt who was in charge and who provided leadership for that team. He may not make all the calls, but he held people accountable real-time throughout the game.
It seems to be a common trait with most all successful coaches
As much as I like coach O, I have to say I don't see that elite level of leadership in him. I was very excited to see the coaching line-up with Aranda and Canada pre season and still expect we'll see improvement through the year, but fear the ceiling for the collective group is limited and won't have what it takes to reach the top.
Hope I'm wrong
I watched the TCU-OSU game last weekend and couldn't help but notice the PRESENCE of Patterson on the sideline. You could tell he was intensely engaged throughout the game and as he moved along the sideline his assistants followed his gaze expecting to have to answer for something if he headed their way. It left no doubt who was in charge and who provided leadership for that team. He may not make all the calls, but he held people accountable real-time throughout the game.
It seems to be a common trait with most all successful coaches
As much as I like coach O, I have to say I don't see that elite level of leadership in him. I was very excited to see the coaching line-up with Aranda and Canada pre season and still expect we'll see improvement through the year, but fear the ceiling for the collective group is limited and won't have what it takes to reach the top.
Hope I'm wrong
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:35 pm to Andychapman13
yah, whatever !
Posted on 9/29/17 at 7:09 pm to Cajun7743
Coach got dem yellows polished.
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