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re: Waters - 36 points
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:17 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:17 am to Lester Earl
“have never once said in this thread that any particular game of his was subpar”
Thanks for proving my point. Here’s an example of attempting to walk back and redefine a previous statement which is typical of you, it’s also a lie. You were caught in a lie earlier doing exactly this when you claimed you’ve always said Waters was talented right before you were crushed when your past posts about Waters were displayed showing your dishonesty. It takes a man to admit when he’s wrong and all of us have had to do yet you’ve never once done this proving you’re not a... well we all know what you are
Thanks for proving my point. Here’s an example of attempting to walk back and redefine a previous statement which is typical of you, it’s also a lie. You were caught in a lie earlier doing exactly this when you claimed you’ve always said Waters was talented right before you were crushed when your past posts about Waters were displayed showing your dishonesty. It takes a man to admit when he’s wrong and all of us have had to do yet you’ve never once done this proving you’re not a... well we all know what you are
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 9:20 am
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Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:20 am to Madking
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Here we go with the straw man again. A. I used 9 games vs ranked teams B. I used the other 5 as examples of games you claimed were sub par and were exactly the opposite. You can’t make an argument t on merit or truth so you create straw men, try to walk back comments and flat out lie. You’re a joke
It’s funny you can’t use either seasons stats or his career stats. You only use selective stats.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:21 am to Lester Earl
Lmfao lmfao thanks again
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:23 am to Madking
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Here’s an example of attempting to walk back and redefine a previous statement which is typical of you,
By all means, please show me where I said those specific games were subpar.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:28 am to Lester Earl
See the mind is conditioned to tell the truth since we are Young that’s why when someone tries to lie over and over again, the way you do, it eventually comes out awkwardly, disjointed and sloppy. This is why you’re always making contradictory posts and ironic looking statements.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:29 am to Madking
Again, you have nothing that proves I said that.
Id bet a lot of money that you have a personality disorder in real life. And im not making fun of you, but when that can come out on a message board, you know its pretty bad.
Id bet a lot of money that you have a personality disorder in real life. And im not making fun of you, but when that can come out on a message board, you know its pretty bad.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:31 am to Lester Earl
Although imitation is the biggest form of flattery, constantly repeating my earlier statements and positions right back to me doesn’t help your case. It comes off as panicked and desperate.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 9:35 am
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:40 am to Madking
Right, cause invalidating my stance earlier because 31 consecutive games was “selective” and then trying to prove a point by cherry picking 5 games somehow makes you look creditable
You are not good at this at all
If for some reason I thought you had a point here, I’d cherry pick his worst games to show you how stupid your point is. But that would be too easy. You see how bad the 31 straight games were. Imagine his 5 worst collectively
You are not good at this at all
If for some reason I thought you had a point here, I’d cherry pick his worst games to show you how stupid your point is. But that would be too easy. You see how bad the 31 straight games were. Imagine his 5 worst collectively
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:43 am to Lester Earl
Look if you wanna tell lies to suck off coach 0 that’s fine but I won’t stand for someone lying with the intent to demean or attack one of our kids. But now that you’ve been exposed and everyone knows it I don’t need to continue dealing with someone like you. I won’t pick on you anymore, anyone who can’t admit they’re wrong even with the proof in their face on a public forum has a seriously fragile ego.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:44 am to Lester Earl
Well that’s not at all what I did but straw men are your specialty. You can stop embarrassing yourself now I’m done beating on you.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:57 am to Madking
Yep. You are perfectly reasonable, objective, & sane.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 10:17 am to Lester Earl
You can't compare last years stats vs this years stats. Last year, Waters was the team and was leaned on to do just about everything. He had no one else that was an offensive threat the team could count on so teams could focus more attention on defending him. Now with the additions to this years team, teams cannot just focus on Waters which therefore opens things up for him...which results in him having more open looks and more one on one defensive looks where the defense cannot role someone over to help every time. And i'll take waters just about every time in a 1on1 situation.
If you can't see this difference for a players performance when looking at purely shooting percentage, especially at the point guard position, then you don't know shite about basketball.
If you can't see this difference for a players performance when looking at purely shooting percentage, especially at the point guard position, then you don't know shite about basketball.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 10:36 am to Lester Earl
When was the last time LSU had a point guard or any player average over 15 ppg and 6 assists per game? And how many in LSU history have done that? The answers are Kenny Higgs 42 years ago and Pete Maravich as the only other players to do it in program history. But you’ve said Waters sucks, earlier this season you said he was never any good and you’ve called him a losing player lol. You use false stats, selective stats and double standards to bash him. You don’t know anything about basketball you’re completely wrong and biased about Tremont Waters.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 10:44 am
Posted on 1/31/19 at 10:36 am to Lester Earl
you are being selective though....you broke out the second half of last season starting with the Kentucky game and ended your data set with the Houston game this season (see dates you have listed)....and guess what his stats show in the first half of last season and since the Houston game this season??? You know, the games you omitted to fit your narrative.....47.6% FG.
I mentioned this earlier, to judge Waters just based on FG% with the talent discrepancy around him between last year and this year shows how ignorant you are in basketball IQ.
Just STFU and admire his play and realize you may have pre-judge him too soon.
I mentioned this earlier, to judge Waters just based on FG% with the talent discrepancy around him between last year and this year shows how ignorant you are in basketball IQ.
Just STFU and admire his play and realize you may have pre-judge him too soon.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 10:45 am to Lester Earl
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It’s funny you can’t use either seasons stats or his career stats. You only use selective stats.
But you didn't either in your sample size, while MadKing was quoting season stats & career stats before and only became selective of games when you posted your sample data set that proved you were being selective....and the sample size you picked portrays much worse than both years season stats and career stats as it relates to your FG% argueement.....
Sooooo I dont have a dog in the fight between you and the MadKing....but once I saw your stat line sample and you choosing selective dates to portray one of ours as being worse than what he is just to fit your narrative it kinda irked me the wrong way.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 11:17 am to honeybadger07
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you are being selective though....you broke out the second half of last season starting with the Kentucky game and ended your data set with the Houston game this season (see dates you have listed)....and guess what his stats show in the first half of last season and since the Houston game this season??? You know, the games you omitted to fit your narrative.....47.6% FG.
Let me ask you a few things:
1) do players ever play poorly??
2) do players ever have really good stretches ?
3) what is the sample size in which something holds water in your eyes? Is there a certain amount of games?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 11:22 am to honeybadger07
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But you didn't either in your sample size, while MadKing was quoting season stats & career stats before and only became selective of games when you posted your sample data set that proved you were being selective....
When I say Waters played poorly for a long stretch, then directly cite the numbers to back that up, then that is not being selective. That is directly reflecting exactly what my statement was.
31 games, consecutively, is a strong & pointed sample size to back up my claim that he didn’t play well.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 11:23 am
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:06 pm to Lester Earl
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31 games, consecutively, is a strong & pointed sample size to back up my claim that he didn’t play well.
Dude, wtf are you talking about? Please tell me you are kidding right now or that your just having an off day maybe?
I mean, I guess my question for you now is do you actually know what CONSECUTIVELY means? I could be a smartass and post the Webster dictionary for you, well frick it might as well just so we all on the same page:
consecutively adverb: con·?sec·?u·?tive·?ly
Definition of consecutively
: in a consecutive manner : with each following the other without interruption : with consecutive numbers or in consecutive occurrences
So by your own acknowledgment, you stated that for 31 CONSECUTIVE games, Waters played poorly EVERY SINGLE GAME.
Sooooo, with that I can now be selective on games (just as the MadKing was to prove your an idiot) because you have stated every single one he didn't play well over that stretch.
How about a stat line of...10 for 18 (55.6% FG for you math wizard), 28 pts, 9 ast, 4 RB, 1 steal, 1 TO. ---- See game VS Vandy 2/20/2018 that is in your "consecutively" sample size.
What about a stat line of... 5 for 8 (62.5% FG), 14 pts(3 of 4 from 3 land), 10 ast, 3 RB, 2 TO. Just a poorly played efficient double double i guess for that one.... see game VS MSST 3/3/2018
One more just for fun...10 for 20 (50% FG), 28 pts (5 of 10 from 3 land), 6 ast, 4 RB, 2 steals, 3 TO. Man, just consecutive game after consecutive game of poor play huh? See VS MSST 3/8/2018.
Ok last one...7 for 14 (50% FG), 27 points, 11 assists, 2 boards, 1 stl, 4 TO. Just another shitty double double shooting at or above 50% from the field. See VS ARK 2/3/2018
Oh and if you didn't notice, all of this is VS SEC teams not some cupcakes and many more i could choose from.
We cool now? Just take it for what it is...you fricked up and we all forgive you. No need for people to keep thinking your an idiot and then you start typing and just prove it.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:31 pm to Lester Earl
31 games is an excellent sample size. Now, let me ask you something....why would you want to lump in stats from last years team with stats from this years team? The surrounding cast members play a significant factor in the performance of a player. Waters last year forced way too many shots and likely fatigued as shite by end of the season because he was literally the only viable option in our offense that was a real threat, which translates to teams could roll over to help defend him and not leave their guy on an island guarding waters every time. This results in waters being left with challenging contested shots on a much more consistent basis....which guess what that means...his stats and in particular his FG% (which was your argument from the get go) will be down because he is taking all these contested shots because no one else could get open on their own or be a reliable go to shooter.
This year, he has threats all over the court and defenses cannot just cheat over and help on him otherwise he will find the open guy and will just get torn to pieces.
Dude, just give it up, please! Can you say he had bad games this year and last year, yeah without a doubt. He was a true freshman last year and gelling with 4 freshman on the court this year. But to sit here and say for 31 CONSECUTIVE games he played poorly is absurd and the facts dont support it, see my post above for proof.
I for one, would say last SEASON waters stats were this .....this season they are this...because this takes out variables that are extremely significant with a sample size of 33 data points from last season and 20 data points for the current season which is plenty ample enough to compare the two.
So please, dude, just give it up!!!
This year, he has threats all over the court and defenses cannot just cheat over and help on him otherwise he will find the open guy and will just get torn to pieces.
Dude, just give it up, please! Can you say he had bad games this year and last year, yeah without a doubt. He was a true freshman last year and gelling with 4 freshman on the court this year. But to sit here and say for 31 CONSECUTIVE games he played poorly is absurd and the facts dont support it, see my post above for proof.
I for one, would say last SEASON waters stats were this .....this season they are this...because this takes out variables that are extremely significant with a sample size of 33 data points from last season and 20 data points for the current season which is plenty ample enough to compare the two.
So please, dude, just give it up!!!
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:40 pm to honeybadger07
quote:
So by your own acknowledgment, you stated that for 31 CONSECUTIVE games, Waters played poorly EVERY SINGLE GAME.
That sample size of games is consecutive. 1-2-3-4-5-6....
The poor games are not consecutive. I never said they were, it would be great if one of you could actually link that, instead of making things up.
The overall outcome,,however, is very poor, and reflects on his general play during that time period.
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