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re: What are your feelings regarding LSU's offense.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 2:13 am to DanglingFury
Posted on 1/10/15 at 2:13 am to DanglingFury
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Easy, killer
Hey, your post I responded to had the sarcastic overtone. It gets old listening to some posters using 2013 as a defense for the coaching staffs during Miles tenure offensive inadequacies. That year was fun to watch (other than ole miss) but, it sure seems most years LSU wins despite the offense. Its mind boggling that this program struggles with finding adequate QB play most seasons.
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Posted on 1/10/15 at 5:59 am to Dudebro2
Haven't seen a Pop Warner game in the last few years ...? Have You .
Posted on 1/10/15 at 6:12 am to No Diggity Tiger
Our offense does seem to make players more pro ready which helps in recruiting even when executed poorly
Posted on 1/10/15 at 7:40 am to DanglingFury
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They combined for what last year...3400 yards or something? Can you imagine them putting up like 3600 yards in a really good offense?
don't know what they would put up in a better offense that spreads the ball around more, maybe more maybe less, but the one sure thing is that the offense as a whole would have finished above middle of the pack in the SEC in total offense. Spreading the field and spreading the ball around would have opened up the running lanes even more for Hill. We could have had a high octane offense that would have been almost impossible to stop with those guys
Posted on 1/10/15 at 7:47 am to treedupre1
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Our offense does seem to make players more pro ready which helps in recruiting even when executed poorly
The Pros throw the ball often. It is said that the NFL is a pass happy league. They also incorporate a lot of spread type elements in their offenses. Adding a good amount of spread elements to our so called 'pro style' would make it truely a modern pro style offense. Take a look at what Alabama and Florida St, who run modern pro style offenses, are doing these days (sitting at home watching the more effective at the college level true spread offenses of Oregon and Ohio St). Even with that, Bamas and Florida St's offense are light years ahead of ours yet they themselves are light years behind Oregon and Ohio St. We, LSU, are in the dark ages of offense football
Posted on 1/10/15 at 8:24 am to DanglingFury
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They combined for what last year...3400 yards or something? Can you imagine them putting up like 3600 yards in a really good offense?
Now that would've been a great season
Posted on 1/10/15 at 9:14 am to Topwater Trout
Maybe they even would've been able to score on Bama.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 9:24 am to biglego
You have to adapt to the QB you have but practice the plays before game day.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:03 am to Dudebro2
I've seen many high school teams look like they knew what they were doing on offense why can't LSU? Maybe we should recruit the entire team from a state high school championship team.
This post was edited on 1/10/15 at 10:05 am
Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:10 am to Tigercoop40
quote:Who after that few months at UGA and a year in JUCO failed to win the start at LSU.
Lead by Zach Mettenberger a QB that started out at Georgia.
Evidently he was underdeveloped, as JJ had better 1st year RAT with a year in the LSU system than Mett with his time (1.5yrs?) elsewhere you guys crow about.
Was Mett not a better QB in 2013 than 2012?
quote:Yes, no other QBs miss reads or throw into 2x cover. You enjoy shitting on one of the better LSU and SEC offensive seasons to further your antiMiles propaganda.
Which still didn't progress through reads. Threw into double coverage and was bailed out by Landry and OBJ a few times(excluding Ole Miss). And didn't realize the TE could catch a football.
quote:Oh the shame of an excellent 3rd conversion rate.
Somebody did a review of 2013. We actually went 1st down run, 2nd down run, 3rd down pass a majority of the season. Just Mett with OBJ and Landry could convert longer 3rd downs.
quote:It is disproven in 2013, and you just ignore.
You have yet to disprove my original statement.
A talented QB after being developed enough in the present LSU system to become starter has produced LSU and SEC offensive records.
I don't care to discuss what is obvious any further.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:56 am to Mayhawman
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A talented QB after being developed enough in the present LSU system to become starter has produced LSU and SEC offensive records.
So we need experienced NFL talent at every offense skill position for this offense to be effective. Thats just wonderfull. Mean while the rest of college football advances into the modern age while we wallow about in mediocrity.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 11:06 am to Big B 46
The offense frequently appears confused. Opposing defenses often look as though they know what is coming. The players make unforced errors that kill drives. The offense is just plain no good and it starts and ends with Les Miles.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:03 pm to White Tiger
Pro-set works great when you have a pro-caliber QB (how many colleges actually have one of those?). Otherwise your D better give up only 14 points per game.
You're better off using no huddle, up tempo spread if you don't have a pro QB. But it's too taxing mentally for some players to execute the hurry up, hence all the package plays.
You're better off using no huddle, up tempo spread if you don't have a pro QB. But it's too taxing mentally for some players to execute the hurry up, hence all the package plays.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 1:59 pm to boxcar willie
quote:No, actually 2011 was a good offensive season (LSU top 5 offensive TDs/season ) with many non-NFL skill position players.
So we need experienced NFL talent at every offense skill position for this offense to be effective.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 3:02 pm to Mayhawman
I love how posters just single out 2013 as an anomaly when in actuality, that's the way the offensive scheme is deigned to look.
In 2008 we started a redshirt freshman.
In 2009 we started a true sophomore
In 2011 we had one of the most efficienct offenses in CFB until 1/9/12
In 2012 we started a QB with one year in the system with Stud as the OC
In 2013 we did whatever we wanted on offense in Cam's first year
In 2014 we started a true sophomore.
And I love the argument that the system only works with NFL-caliber players. LSU is stockpiled with these on a yearly basis at each of the skill positions.
Return an experienced QB and the offense is fine.
In 2008 we started a redshirt freshman.
In 2009 we started a true sophomore
In 2011 we had one of the most efficienct offenses in CFB until 1/9/12
In 2012 we started a QB with one year in the system with Stud as the OC
In 2013 we did whatever we wanted on offense in Cam's first year
In 2014 we started a true sophomore.
And I love the argument that the system only works with NFL-caliber players. LSU is stockpiled with these on a yearly basis at each of the skill positions.
Return an experienced QB and the offense is fine.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 3:14 pm to chilge1
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I love how posters just single out 2013 as an anomaly when in actuality, that's the way the offensive scheme is deigned to look. In 2008 we started a redshirt freshman. In 2009 we started a true sophomore In 2011 we had one of the most efficienct offenses in CFB until 1/9/12 In 2012 we started a QB with one year in the system with Stud as the OC In 2013 we did whatever we wanted on offense in Cam's first year In 2014 we started a true sophomore. And I love the argument that the system only works with NFL-caliber players. LSU is stockpiled with these on a yearly basis at each of the skill positions. Return an experienced QB and the offense is fine.
So you agree that 2013 is an anomaly but only bc of the chronic QB issue. That's what we are all saying. Meanwhile other teams can function with a soph QB.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 3:21 pm to biglego
Which teams function with a TRUE sophomore QB?
Posted on 1/10/15 at 5:18 pm to chilge1
I dunno. I figured there must be a team out there that has had success with a fresh or soph QB.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 5:20 pm to biglego
Then on behalf of the board, please make sure what you say is accurate before you go spouting off.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 7:50 pm to biglego
quote:There are systems that require less, but are never there at the end. Which do you prefer?
Meanwhile other teams can function with a soph QB.
The smash mouth system is proven by Miles and Saban (god).
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