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re: When did 9-4 become a "disaster"?
Posted on 1/9/10 at 10:26 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 1/9/10 at 10:26 pm to Ace Midnight
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So, anybody who comes on here and posts that "10-3 and 9-4 aren't good enough", are the same types of people who got us 20 years of .500 ball.
Really? Are you sure it wasn't guys like you, who are perpetually satisfied with mediocrity? Guys for whomever the current coach is they support to death under the misguided notion that is team loyalty? I bet you were a DiNardo guy and a Hallman guy too, weren't you? Fess up!
This post was edited on 1/9/10 at 10:30 pm
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Posted on 1/9/10 at 10:27 pm to drizztiger
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Because 8 of LSU's last 17 wins have come against those piece of crap teams
Drizz I bow to your awesome logic (no kidding!). *Salute*
Posted on 1/9/10 at 11:17 pm to PiscesTiger
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Ace, I am coming to Ball, LA to kick sense into you. Surely you're the only person who lives there, so you won't be difficult to find.
Just a word of advice.... bring friends..... a lot of them....
Posted on 1/9/10 at 11:19 pm to carrell
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I bet you were a DiNardo guy and a Hallman guy too, weren't you? Fess up!
I liked Dinardo and still do. He needed to go because he refused to change (and he was losing doing it...) Hallman is the very reason I'm standing up for a coach who's WINNING.
I don't say that I'm happy with the way things have gone, particularly on offense (and late game clock management is part of the abysmal showing on offense), but with all of the uncertainties, I'm for a guy who can recruit and win championships, even if we don't look particularly good at times doing it.
Posted on 1/9/10 at 11:24 pm to toddg
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Well some of the other coaches who won 9 games didn't have 13 games to do it so it isn't a valid argument.
80 years ago is about when the 10 game season became the standard, so, yes, some of those 9 win seasons were 9-1s and 9-2s, but many, many of them are 9-3s which are sufficiently equivalent to the results of 2009.
What about the 36 seasons in that same time span where other coaches (including one under a guy whose name rhymes with "Satan") lost at least 4 games? Most of them didn't have 8 or 9 wins to balance those losses out.
So, it is a reasonably valid argument when you look at it like that.
Posted on 1/9/10 at 11:25 pm to lsufan67
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11 wins is the new benchmark. anything less is not going to cut it.
So, 11 wins is the average required, or the minimum every year? I'm just seeing how high the crazy is dialed up and counting on both hands and feet how many coaches we're going to have to fire over the next few years.
Posted on 1/9/10 at 11:28 pm to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
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9-4 is a spectacular record with that much talent. We should give Les Miles a raise. We have an 8-8 record in the SEC, but the SEC is the toughest conference there is.
I didn't say it was "spectacular", just not a disaster. It's certainly par, and the Rantards who insist that 10 and 11 win seasons are the "minimum" simply can't remember the 90s, or refuse to. Also, 8-8 over the past two seasons, LSU is 27-13 in the SEC under Miles.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 1:52 am to drizztiger
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Argue Miles being 9-9 against any real competition he has faced. LSU was 13-3 in the SEC the two years prior to Miles. Now LSU is 8-8 with Miles fully into his tenure.
Love the logic. Hell, with that logic, we shouldn't give any credit to the coach who won the 2001 SEC championship...he wasn't "fully into his tenure". He didn't actually coach the team, he was just kinda of there and they won.
Matter of fact, I think in 2006, 2007 and 2008, when we went 34-6 and won a national championship and 2 BCS games that we didn't actually have any coaches. The guys the prior coach recruited just kind of showed up and won.
I forgot thats how coaching works. Thanks for informing me.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 9:00 am to Ace Midnight
Since we went 8-5
Posted on 1/10/10 at 10:36 am to Ace Midnight
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I liked Dinardo and still do.
I stopped reading right there.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 11:18 am to Fat Bastard
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4 and 5 losses is mediocre. see ron zook's losses at UF. he set the standard for when to dump a winning coach who has fell to mediocrity loss wise.
AND Frank Solich!...
Piece of shite people on here do not understand that YES we BARELY won against a Sac Ten tema that really doidn't play as well as everyone on here thought they would. AND those lousy wins against MSU and Vandy count for something - not in my book. WTF? Would have rathered lost all of those games and fired Miles, than be 9-4 with those wins.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 11:24 am to BayouWolf
BayouWolf
Matter of fact, I think in 2006, 2007 and 2008, when we went 34-6 and won a national championship and 2 BCS games that we didn't actually have any coaches.
Last time I looked he was still trying to squeeze out the last bit of life out of Saban's coaching - see alexander.
That 2006 and 2007 team LEARNED all of there football under Saban and the remains of his staff - Fisher on Offense. You are out of your mind if you don't believe those redshirt years those players aren't taught discipline, and work ethic to be successful. It may be the fact that Miles REFUSES to develop his players. How else do you explain the recruiting classes he has had and the drop-off of production. Unless he doesn't know how to recruit for a TEAM versus signing talented players and DEVELOPING them. WTF. STUPIDITY is BLISS on this website!
Matter of fact, I think in 2006, 2007 and 2008, when we went 34-6 and won a national championship and 2 BCS games that we didn't actually have any coaches.
Last time I looked he was still trying to squeeze out the last bit of life out of Saban's coaching - see alexander.
That 2006 and 2007 team LEARNED all of there football under Saban and the remains of his staff - Fisher on Offense. You are out of your mind if you don't believe those redshirt years those players aren't taught discipline, and work ethic to be successful. It may be the fact that Miles REFUSES to develop his players. How else do you explain the recruiting classes he has had and the drop-off of production. Unless he doesn't know how to recruit for a TEAM versus signing talented players and DEVELOPING them. WTF. STUPIDITY is BLISS on this website!
Posted on 1/10/10 at 11:24 am to Lacour
not acceptable with all the talent on this team
This attitude will bring us back to MEDIOCRACY...
This attitude will bring us back to MEDIOCRACY...
Posted on 1/10/10 at 11:33 am to Ace Midnight
9-4 became a disaster after the Tiger fan base realized that the program was never better than mediocre under Chollie Mac and went south from there under Archer, Hallman and DiNardo and was not much more under Arnsparger. At least Saban showed us we can be excellent and should be. 9-4 should NEVER be acceptable to a program that expects to compete for NC's year in and year out. We may have to live with a record like that from time to time but we should hate every minute of it. This 9-4 season became a disaster when most fans realized it could have easily been 5-7 and well should have been 7-5.
This post was edited on 1/10/10 at 11:35 am
Posted on 1/10/10 at 11:41 am to Ace Midnight
When we have 9-4 seasons in the mega-tough, ultra-competitive, best-conference-in-the-nation B12, it's a disaster, & we must go get a better coach immediately.
Signed,
University of Nebraska AD
Signed,
University of Nebraska AD
Posted on 1/10/10 at 11:42 am to DelAzucar
Ace....I think most of the intelligible individuals on this board will agree that after your Dinardo and Hallman remarks......
you're completely lost. May you find Jesus or Buddha or something to save you from complete disaster so you may contribute to society.
you're completely lost. May you find Jesus or Buddha or something to save you from complete disaster so you may contribute to society.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 12:07 pm to Ace Midnight
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When did 9-4 become a "disaster"?
It's not, never has been, and never will be when you play in the SEC and finish 3rd in that football conference.
It might not be as good as we want or as good as 4 mil a yr demands, but it's far from a "disaster" and those pushing that agenda sacrifice their creditability when they do so. imo
This post was edited on 1/10/10 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 1/10/10 at 12:14 pm to Ace Midnight
When your direct competition In T-Town is 26-2 over the last 2 years. Meaning no SECCG unless Bama screws up.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 12:31 pm to BayouWolf
quote:Love how you ignore 90% of a post to focus on one point. The question was When did 9-4 become a "disaster"?
Love the logic. Hell, with that logic, we shouldn't give any credit to the coach who won the 2001 SEC championship...he wasn't "fully into his tenure".
The answers is LSU was 5-4 against any competition that is close to LSU's level - and I liberally include Vandy and MSU in that total which boosts LSU's wins. Padding your win total against the likes of Tulane, ULL, Wash and La Tech isn't impressive nor successful.
Apparently Les Miles can't schedule enough Appalachian St.'s, North Texas' and Tulane's to go 12-0, so he has to depend on this for only 4 of the 9 wins - last year it was 4 of his 8 wins - and play .500 ball against real teams.
This post was edited on 1/10/10 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 1/10/10 at 12:39 pm to Ace Midnight
When you have 12-2 or 13-1 talent.
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