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Posted on 10/21/09 at 3:47 pm to lsu xman
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colt mccoy came in and threw about 30td's as a freshman.
sam bradford 36td 3100+yds 69% as a freshman too.
True, system has alot to do with these...
Posted on 10/21/09 at 3:47 pm to Dobermann
quote:
2007 Perriloux-soph
2002 David Greene-soph
2001 Matt Mauck - FRESHMAN
1999 Andrew Zow- soph
So 4 of the last 10 SEC champs use a sophomore or freshman QB to win.
Perrilloux: DID NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE SEASON.
Mauck: Didn't even play the entire game and rarely played that season at all.
Greene: Not a true sophomore
Zow: Not a true sophomore
Posted on 10/21/09 at 3:50 pm to MightyYat
New rules. You can't be successful at QB in the SEC as a true sophomore. Boy are you drinking the Les Aide!!!
Posted on 10/21/09 at 3:50 pm to chilge1
quote:
Perrilloux started one game
The MTSU game goes down in the record books as a game played, as well the SECCG vs UT.
That makes 2(two) games that Perrilloux was the starting QB.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 3:51 pm to tlary
quote:
New rules. You can't be successful at QB in the SEC as a true sophomore. Boy are you drinking the Les Aide!!!
No one mentioned in this thread fits that mold so I say no.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 3:53 pm to Dobermann
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He brought us a win against Tennessee. That was the extent of his influence in the SEC race.
Let's be honest. We would have smashed MTSU with Keilland Williams as the starting QB. Furthermore, the game had absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the SEC race. Seeing as how the point is a sophomore QB that was instrumental in the team winning the SEC, MTSU doesn't qualify.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 3:54 pm to MightyYat
quote:
Perrilloux: DID NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE SEASON
played in most games during the season
quote:
Mauck: Didn't even play the entire game and rarely played that season at all
we were losing when mauck entered the game.
quote:
true sophomore
your original post said nothing about true soph vs redshirt soph
Posted on 10/21/09 at 3:56 pm to cajunfriar
This is by no means the end-all, but I decided to see what QBs finished in the top 20 in the nation in pass efficiency as FR or SO. i indicate which bowl the team went to, as this was easier than looking up if they were in contention for a conf. championship or some other thing.
Through 2001:
For fun, 2009 so far:
kellen moore, boise st, so
jacory harris, miami, so
GJ kinne, tulsa, so
cody endres, Uconn, so
ick foles, arizoa, so
andrew luck, stanford, FR
2008
sam bradford, ou, so [BCS NC GAME]
case keenum, houston, so [ARMED FORCES BOWL]
kellen moore, boise st, so [SDCCU POINSETTIA BOWL]
trevor vittatoe, utep, so
2007
sam bradford, ou, fr [FIESTA BOWL]
tim tebow, uf, so [CAPITAL ONE BOWL]
colin kaeperick, nevada, fr [NEW MEXICO BOWL]
zac robinson, ok st, so [INSIGHT BOWL]
case keenum, houston, fr [TEXAS BOWL]
2006
colt mccoy, texas, fr [ALAMO BOWL]
justin willis, smu, fr
chase holbrook, new mexic st, so
bobby reid, ok st, so [INDEPENDENCE BOWL]
nate davis, ball st, fr
dan lefevour, cmu, fr [MOTOR CITY BOWL]
2005
rudy carpenter, ari st, fr [INSIGHT BOWL]
brian brohm, louisville, so [GATOR BOWL]
colt brennan, hawaii, so
brian johnson, utah so [EMERALD BOWL]
2004
omar jacobs, bowling green, so [GMAC BOWL]
lester ricard, tulane, so
jared zabransky, boise st, so [LIBERTY BOWL]
chris leak, uf, so [PEACH BOWL]
donovan woods, ok st, fr [ALAMO BOWL]
2003
matt leinart, usc, so [ROSE BOWL]
bruce gradkowski, toledo, so
kevin kolb, houston, fr [HAWAII BOWL]
alex smith, utah, so [LIBERTY BOWL]
aaron rodgers, cal, so [INSIGHT BOWL]
2002
bryan randall, so, VT [SAN FRANCISCO BOWL]
josh fields, so, ok st [HOUSTON BOWL]
ben roethlisberger, miami-oh, so
david greene, uga, so [SUGAR BOWL]
andrew walter, ari st, so [HOLIDAY BOWL]
charlie frye, akron, so
2001
rex grossman, uf, so [ORANGE BOWL]
ryan dinwiddie, boise st, so
jeff smoker, mich st, so [SILICON VALLEY BOWL]
chris rix, fsu, fr [GATOR BOWL]
jeff krohn, ariz st, so
casey clausen, tenn, so [CITRUS BOWL]
darian durant, UNC, fr [PEACH BOWL]
ben roethlisberger, miami-oh, fr
eli manning, ole miss, so
Through 2001:
For fun, 2009 so far:
kellen moore, boise st, so
jacory harris, miami, so
GJ kinne, tulsa, so
cody endres, Uconn, so
ick foles, arizoa, so
andrew luck, stanford, FR
2008
sam bradford, ou, so [BCS NC GAME]
case keenum, houston, so [ARMED FORCES BOWL]
kellen moore, boise st, so [SDCCU POINSETTIA BOWL]
trevor vittatoe, utep, so
2007
sam bradford, ou, fr [FIESTA BOWL]
tim tebow, uf, so [CAPITAL ONE BOWL]
colin kaeperick, nevada, fr [NEW MEXICO BOWL]
zac robinson, ok st, so [INSIGHT BOWL]
case keenum, houston, fr [TEXAS BOWL]
2006
colt mccoy, texas, fr [ALAMO BOWL]
justin willis, smu, fr
chase holbrook, new mexic st, so
bobby reid, ok st, so [INDEPENDENCE BOWL]
nate davis, ball st, fr
dan lefevour, cmu, fr [MOTOR CITY BOWL]
2005
rudy carpenter, ari st, fr [INSIGHT BOWL]
brian brohm, louisville, so [GATOR BOWL]
colt brennan, hawaii, so
brian johnson, utah so [EMERALD BOWL]
2004
omar jacobs, bowling green, so [GMAC BOWL]
lester ricard, tulane, so
jared zabransky, boise st, so [LIBERTY BOWL]
chris leak, uf, so [PEACH BOWL]
donovan woods, ok st, fr [ALAMO BOWL]
2003
matt leinart, usc, so [ROSE BOWL]
bruce gradkowski, toledo, so
kevin kolb, houston, fr [HAWAII BOWL]
alex smith, utah, so [LIBERTY BOWL]
aaron rodgers, cal, so [INSIGHT BOWL]
2002
bryan randall, so, VT [SAN FRANCISCO BOWL]
josh fields, so, ok st [HOUSTON BOWL]
ben roethlisberger, miami-oh, so
david greene, uga, so [SUGAR BOWL]
andrew walter, ari st, so [HOLIDAY BOWL]
charlie frye, akron, so
2001
rex grossman, uf, so [ORANGE BOWL]
ryan dinwiddie, boise st, so
jeff smoker, mich st, so [SILICON VALLEY BOWL]
chris rix, fsu, fr [GATOR BOWL]
jeff krohn, ariz st, so
casey clausen, tenn, so [CITRUS BOWL]
darian durant, UNC, fr [PEACH BOWL]
ben roethlisberger, miami-oh, fr
eli manning, ole miss, so
Posted on 10/21/09 at 3:59 pm to Dobermann
quote:
played in most games during the season
But he was not the QB the entire season therefore he did not have to endure the rigors of the entire season.
quote:
we were losing when mauck entered the game.
Mauck helped us win THAT game. He had NOTHING to do with getting us there. Not to mention wasn't he like 46 as a freshman?
quote:
your original post said nothing about true soph vs redshirt soph
Which is why I later clarified. That extra year makes a HUGE difference apparently.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 4:00 pm to AreJay
Some people are confusing age with experience. If you are not taking snaps with the starters in practice and have little game experience, then you are not "experienced.
If you have played the most part of 7-8 games, you are experienced.
If you have played the most part of 7-8 games, you are experienced.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 4:04 pm to MightyYat
quote:
That extra year makes a HUGE difference apparently
Agreed!
Posted on 10/21/09 at 4:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
JJ has 4 times more game experience now than Matt Flynn had against Virginia Tech in 2007.
The excuse worked for the first three games. Six games in, plus a game and a half last year and the bowl game. Come on. He should be better. And he hasn't shown an inch of improvement. Indeed, he looks worse.
The excuse worked for the first three games. Six games in, plus a game and a half last year and the bowl game. Come on. He should be better. And he hasn't shown an inch of improvement. Indeed, he looks worse.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 4:17 pm to Mike Linebacker
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JJ has 4 times more game experience now than Matt Flynn had against Virginia Tech in 2007.
The excuse worked for the first three games. Six games in, plus a game and a half last year and the bowl game. Come on. He should be better. And he hasn't shown an inch of improvement. Indeed, he looks worse.
Agreed but that's not really the argument in this thread. Flynn was also a 5th year senior and maturity is a big factor when it comes to QB play in the SEC.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 4:20 pm to MightyYat
quote:
Agreed but that's not really the argument in this thread.
I thought the thread was about when a QB becomes experienced. That was the question I was answering. JJ is "experienced" and those who try to say otherwise are making accuses for his lack of development. Some guys have "it" and some do not. Unfortunately, we look to be batting 0-2.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 4:21 pm to Mike Linebacker
quote:
I thought the thread was about when a QB becomes experienced. That was the question I was answering. JJ is "experienced" and those who try to say otherwise are making accuses for his lack of development. Some guys have "it" and some do not. Unfortunately, we look to be batting 0-2.
So now, as a 19 year old he just doesn't have "it". Whatever the frick "it" is.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 4:25 pm to MightyYat
quote:
When was the last time a sophomore QB won the SEC? Look it up. BTW, it's going to take you awhile.
matt mauck
Posted on 10/21/09 at 4:28 pm to MightyYat
quote:
Whatever the frick "it" is.
white skin
Posted on 10/21/09 at 4:31 pm to deathvalleyrox27
quote:
Lee got assraped by the fans and he was a true fresh last year!! unreal to gice JJ a pass!
Have been reading this board lately? No one is giving JJ a pass.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 4:31 pm to lsufball19
quote:Matt Mauck did not win the SEC as a Sophomore.
matt mauck
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