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Posted on 9/1/09 at 11:53 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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The defense basically 'gave up' (not literally, but figuratively) after all the pick 6's, it was demoralizing,
hopefully the losers that "gave up" aren't on the team any longer...if anything affected their attitude it was the fact that screwed up defensive calls were coming in way too late
Posted on 9/1/09 at 11:57 am to ForeLSU
LSU had no leadership on either side of the ball.
You think Dorsey, Hester, Bowe, LaRon would have let the plays get away with not trying or hustling?
You think Dorsey, Hester, Bowe, LaRon would have let the plays get away with not trying or hustling?
Posted on 9/1/09 at 11:58 am to pitbull20
quote:
4 pages later and JP has not responded to what I have given him. I guess his questions were answered and he is ready for a good season
lol, oh I'm soaking it all in. I will say I certainly feel a little better after reading some of the comments in this thread.
It's not that I'm "stressed" or "worried" about the QB spot ... it is what it is, and I'll certainly enjoy the ride this year whether it's a good one or a bad one... I'm just prepared to see mistakes at the QB spot because of our youth. We can all argue over the definition of experience all day long, but IN MY OPINION we do not have experience at the position yet ...
That said, I'm ready to leve for Seattle! I'm totally stoked about this season and putting the piece of crap that we call the 2008 season completely behind us.
This post was edited on 9/1/09 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 9/1/09 at 12:17 pm to TigerBandAlumnus82
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I don't want to see all our DB's doing this when the offense is just about to snap the ball into play.
I've seen quotes by Chad Jones that directly address this, and, if he is to be believed, the problems have been corrected.
I do think that Cooper and Chavis coach their position players with my old, tried and true technique, "If you're going to mess up, mess up hitting somebody." I suspect Brick Haley is of a similar mindset, but you don't have to tell DLinemen to hit somebody.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 12:26 pm to JPLSU1981
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We are in basically the exact same spot as we started last year at the QB position... a second-year player with practically no game experience starting at QB and a true freshman hanging behind him two spots down the depth chart. The only difference this year from last is we've got a backup QB that has actually seen some significant, meaningful playing time. That is the ONLY difference at QB in 09 compared to 08.
No, there are other differences.
Jordan Jefferson has more game experience than anybody we had coming into last year.
Jarrett Lee has more game experience than anybody we had coming into last year.
Jordan Jefferson is better than either Andrew Hatch or Jarrett Lee.
Jarrett Lee should be improved after gaining a year of experience last year.
So, we have a better and more experienced starter than we did last year, and a more experienced and therefore probably better backup than we had last year. Why should we not expect better play from the position?
And finally, the QB situation is not even the biggest reason we lost 5 games last year. It was mainly the defense that brought us down last year and even you agree that we'll be better on defense.
If we've improved in the two biggest problem areas from last year, we should be a better team.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 12:39 pm to JPLSU1981
+1
last year I think was what the team, and les, needed to make positive changes.
also, I think LSU got the "fire" back in their bellies that they looked like they were missing last year, coming off a NC season.
I can't wait to enjoy this season, it's going to be a fun one!
last year I think was what the team, and les, needed to make positive changes.
also, I think LSU got the "fire" back in their bellies that they looked like they were missing last year, coming off a NC season.
I can't wait to enjoy this season, it's going to be a fun one!
Posted on 9/1/09 at 12:41 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:
Jordan Jefferson has more game experience than anybody we had coming into last year.
Jarrett Lee has more game experience than anybody we had coming into last year.
Jordan Jefferson is better than either Andrew Hatch or Jarrett Lee.
Jarrett Lee should be improved after gaining a year of experience last year.
So, we have a better and more experienced starter than we did last year, and a more experienced and therefore probably better backup than we had last year. Why should we not expect better play from the position?
And finally, the QB situation is not even the biggest reason we lost 5 games last year. It was mainly the defense that brought us down last year and even you agree that we'll be better on defense.
If we've improved in the two biggest problem areas from last year, we should be a better team.
:kige:
Posted on 9/1/09 at 12:58 pm to TheDoc
It might have been said already, but my opinion on the unraveling of the season last year was 3 things:
1) Historically poor choices by the quarterback put the team at a great disadvantage.
2) Which then forced and already poor defense to play either with a short field or from behind, which then led to:
1) More risk taken by the offense, which resulted in more historically poor choices, which led to 2) again, etc.
Step 3) was the defeat against Alabama. That was the last straw for the team. They lost hope and realized the goals they had for the season were washed away due to 1) and 2). They proceeded to lose 2 more games in which our team was vastly more talented than the opponent (and almost 3!!)
Now, see how these three all worked together? Holy crap, it was an unending feeback loop during the season, and was only righted when we had time to step away from competition and reassess. At that point, we dismantled Georgia Tech.
Therefore, if we agree that we have solved 2) above with the revamping of the defensive coaching staff, then 2) itself will be improved and we will see our defense performing more as we are accustomed to seeing, which in itself lead to the improvement of 1). But I also think that 1) will be improved for all the reasons stated in this thread.
Look, I'm going to choose to believe that we've fixed the problems (1 & 2 above) of last year. It's not blind optimism, but it is optimism and that's for sure.
It's gonna be a great year. I can't wait.
1) Historically poor choices by the quarterback put the team at a great disadvantage.
2) Which then forced and already poor defense to play either with a short field or from behind, which then led to:
1) More risk taken by the offense, which resulted in more historically poor choices, which led to 2) again, etc.
Step 3) was the defeat against Alabama. That was the last straw for the team. They lost hope and realized the goals they had for the season were washed away due to 1) and 2). They proceeded to lose 2 more games in which our team was vastly more talented than the opponent (and almost 3!!)
Now, see how these three all worked together? Holy crap, it was an unending feeback loop during the season, and was only righted when we had time to step away from competition and reassess. At that point, we dismantled Georgia Tech.
Therefore, if we agree that we have solved 2) above with the revamping of the defensive coaching staff, then 2) itself will be improved and we will see our defense performing more as we are accustomed to seeing, which in itself lead to the improvement of 1). But I also think that 1) will be improved for all the reasons stated in this thread.
Look, I'm going to choose to believe that we've fixed the problems (1 & 2 above) of last year. It's not blind optimism, but it is optimism and that's for sure.
It's gonna be a great year. I can't wait.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 1:01 pm to Tiger Phil
1) Historically poor choices by the quarterback put the team at a great disadvantage
1999 Josh Booty disagrees, probably worst season ever for an LSU QB.
1999 Josh Booty disagrees, probably worst season ever for an LSU QB.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:02 pm to JPLSU1981
like i said in the other thread, i can understand the concern at QB, but with the defense much improved and another season in the system I feel we are much better off. 
drink a few for me in Seattle.
drink a few for me in Seattle.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:40 pm to JPLSU1981
Well offensively we should be better especially since our own players say how well our qb play has improved. Now defensively is still a question mark but we make a couple if passes against Arkansas and we had a 9 win season.
Just to add our starting qb found out he wasn't redshirting 3/4 into the season and only knew about 50 plays. Now he knows over 150. A 9 win season is not unreasonable and I'm sorrry but if we don't and our players don't have high expectations then we will never make it back to Atlanta.
Just to add our starting qb found out he wasn't redshirting 3/4 into the season and only knew about 50 plays. Now he knows over 150. A 9 win season is not unreasonable and I'm sorrry but if we don't and our players don't have high expectations then we will never make it back to Atlanta.
This post was edited on 9/1/09 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:57 pm to dgnx6
I know we have to play Bama ole miss Florida but ole miss and Bama play eachother and they have to play us so i would not necessarily say they have an easier schedule. Imagine if we had to play lsu every yr.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 3:15 pm to dgnx6
LSU will be improved due to better play at QB and on defense. Although Jordan Jefferson only started 3 games, he showed drastic improvement from game to game in that his awareness and game management skills were catching up to his physical gifts. Jefferson has the intangibles that you cannot coach, confidence, poise, awareness of the rush coming at him, and the ability to keep looking down the field and going through his progressions despite heat being in his face. Will he get fooled this season at times by SEC defensive coordinators? Yes. But I expect him, based upon his performance last season, to learn very quickly from the mistakes he will make. Furthermore, Jefferson has plenty of help on offense, so he is not in a situation where he has to carry the offense on his back.
As for the defense, LSU has to be better simply due to having much better coaching this season. It is not an understatement to say that the co-defensive coordinator experiment last season was an unmitigaged disaster. The substitution patterns caused constant confusion and, as a result, players were consistently out of position. And you could see that the players lost confidence in the coaches as the season wore on. I am not sold quite yet on how good our front 7 will be because some guys are going to have to start living up to their high school hype. However, I have confidence that Chavis and company can get those players to perform their best.
All of the above being said, LSU has a difficult schedule. I think a 9-3 season is most likely and to be expected. But if LSU stays away from injuries and gets a little luck, then the Tigers can certainly be in the hunt for the SEC and national honors.
As for the defense, LSU has to be better simply due to having much better coaching this season. It is not an understatement to say that the co-defensive coordinator experiment last season was an unmitigaged disaster. The substitution patterns caused constant confusion and, as a result, players were consistently out of position. And you could see that the players lost confidence in the coaches as the season wore on. I am not sold quite yet on how good our front 7 will be because some guys are going to have to start living up to their high school hype. However, I have confidence that Chavis and company can get those players to perform their best.
All of the above being said, LSU has a difficult schedule. I think a 9-3 season is most likely and to be expected. But if LSU stays away from injuries and gets a little luck, then the Tigers can certainly be in the hunt for the SEC and national honors.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 3:39 pm to JPLSU1981
D will be better b/c of coaching consistency and experience. I don't think we'll get blown out by anyone.
O will be considerably better (in part due to a better D)
We'll go 2-2 with Bama, Fla, Georgia and Ole Miss. And we'll probably overlook somebody like State or Auburn. State is due for a win. God, I hope its not Arkansas.
O will be considerably better (in part due to a better D)
We'll go 2-2 with Bama, Fla, Georgia and Ole Miss. And we'll probably overlook somebody like State or Auburn. State is due for a win. God, I hope its not Arkansas.
This post was edited on 9/1/09 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 9/1/09 at 4:56 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:No, we are in a situation in no way similar to last year's. Last year, we did not have a QB on the roster that had ever started a game. Now we have two QBs with multiple starts, one with multiple SEC wins and another with a huge bowl win under his belt.
I'm confused as to why everyone thinks the QB situation is going to be improved this year. We are in basically the exact same spot as we started last year at the QB position
quote:Well, we have more experienced QBs and -- as you said -- a better defense. Why would we not be optimistic?
All that said, why the optimism?? We've still got young QBs ... nothing you can say can change that.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 4:59 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:Jefferson has two full games as a starter, plus relief time in two other games, plus mop up duty in still other games. That mop up duty alone is as much experience as any of our QBs had last year; who did we have with multiple games worth of experience? No one. Now we have two. Multiple games of experience is a lot more experience than all our QBs combined had last year. And two of our guys have it this year. What part of that are you missing?
What ya mean? JJ has basically no experience, so I don't understand that point
Posted on 9/1/09 at 5:01 pm to JPLSU1981
simply put even most true freshman don't even throw 17ints!! Defensively we will not be giving up 50 points to anyone.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 5:02 pm to aibo synthetic
quote:I'd say at least 10-2. Bama and Arkansas for sure, and with solid defense OR no pick 6s we beat Georgia. Florida and Ole Miss are the only two that would likely still be losses.
Solid D and no pick 6s = 9-3
Posted on 9/1/09 at 5:06 pm to MartyMcfly
quote:No one is considered in the same respect as Tebow, and there is nothing anyone can do this season to get there (except possibly if Bradford wins the Heisman AND the National Championship). However, with a BCS Championship Game win or a Heisman trophy (both possible, but the Heisman is EXTREMELY unlikely) Jefferson would immediately leap into the Bradford/McCoy range of consideration (assuming his play was at least largely responsible for the title).
Lord Tebow, King Bradford, and Prince McCoy?
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