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re: Why is Jefferson not an sec type quarterback?
Posted on 1/26/10 at 10:51 am to lsutothetop
Posted on 1/26/10 at 10:51 am to lsutothetop
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To be honest, that's not bad at all. He took a LOT of sacks, granted [and anyone about to make a stupid joke can stfu], but statistically wasn't bad.
Again, the stats are pretty meaningless at this point. What led JJ to have few INT's is also what limited the offense.
LSU only had 2-3 decent drives per game. Moving the ball consistently is what matters, not empty stats. Of course JJ had few INT's, he rarely threw the ball within 5 yards of a defender.
The argument that JJ doesn't have the potential to be a successful SEC QB is ridiculous. But he needs major help to get to the next level. He is limiting the LSU offense. No doubt about it.
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Posted on 1/26/10 at 10:59 am to Nuts4LSU
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With more starts now than Matt Flynn
Starts are a measuring tool as is time in the program.
If you wish to expect the same from a true So as you would from a RS Sr and RS Jr, knock yourself out.
Posted on 1/26/10 at 11:04 am to lsutothetop
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Oh, BTW, Doc, do you live in BR?
born and raised
Posted on 1/26/10 at 11:15 am to Flatyger
quote:No but I wish he knew he could not spike the football with one second left in the game!
Jeez, do you people want him to part the Red Sea?!
Posted on 1/26/10 at 11:16 am to Nuts4LSU
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Ah yes, the youth excuse. With more starts now than Matt Flynn had in his entire career, Jefferson is just too inexperienced to be successful. Next year, he'll only be 20, and 25 years from now he'll only be 44. Maybe if he lives to be 200 years old, he'll finally stop being a rookie.
+1000
Posted on 1/26/10 at 12:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Again, the stats are pretty meaningless at this point. What led JJ to have few INT's is also what limited the offense.
LSU only had 2-3 decent drives per game. Moving the ball consistently is what matters, not empty stats. Of course JJ had few INT's, he rarely threw the ball within 5 yards of a defender.
The argument that JJ doesn't have the potential to be a successful SEC QB is ridiculous. But he needs major help to get to the next level. He is limiting the LSU offense. No doubt about it.
THIS!!!
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:08 pm to TigerFan55555
all u assholes that bitch at jj for throwing 5 or 7 yard throws should be glad he was. cause we sure weren't running for 5 or 7. and jj had a great % at throwin those.
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:11 pm to CAJUN LSU MAN
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all u assholes that bitch at jj for throwing 5 or 7 yard throws should be glad he was. cause we sure weren't running for 5 or 7. and jj had a great % at throwin those.
Damn dude, just stop.
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
whatev. i'm sure you've enlightened lots of people with your wisdom.
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:13 pm to CAJUN LSU MAN
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all u assholes that bitch at jj for throwing 5 or 7 yard throws should be glad he was. cause we sure weren't running for 5 or 7. and jj had a great % at throwin those.
hey RogerShrubber, its sounds like he some old timer back in the 50's doesnt it?...
(back in my day 5-7 yards passes is all it took to win a Championship, hell, throwing the ball was just invented.....in old man voice)
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:27 pm to TigerFan55555
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back in my day 5-7 yards passes is all it took to win a Championship
bama did it all season, along with a strong defense and heisman caliber running game.
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:31 pm to TheDoc
Texas and Texas Tech have made a living throwing 5-8 yard passes that turn into 20-30 yard gains. Problem is LSU's 5-7 yard plunkers are thrown to static receivers and not a field in motion. There is little YAC.
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:37 pm to TheDoc
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bama did it all season, along with a strong defense and heisman caliber running game.
looks like were 66% away then...
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Problem is LSU's 5-7 yard plunkers are thrown to static receivers and not a field in motion. There is little YAC.
great way to get the most out of our NFL recievers...throw a short hitch route where he's stopped...Ill tell you why we did that....b/c JJ couldnt hit a moving target...(pc afraid from last year as well) combo
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:46 pm to TigerFan55555
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great way to get the most out of our NFL recievers...throw a short hitch route where he's stopped...Ill tell you why we did that....b/c JJ couldnt hit a moving target...(pc afraid from last year as well) combo
yeah, its hard to figure out why exactly, but most of LSU's offense looked like something you draw up on a playground. Run 8 yards, stop and turn around. If no one is within 5 yards, you get the ball. JJ, all LSU QB's deserve a coach who can sit in a film room and be there on the practice field to work thru these issues.
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:47 pm to TigerFan55555
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b/c JJ couldnt hit a moving target..
shenanigans
Posted on 1/26/10 at 2:02 pm to Nuts4LSU
Nuts. I realize some posters are also young and inexperienced and say things on this Rant to get a rise out of the readers. That's OK. But the QB position in football, more than any other position in any other sport, requires "seasoning". To ridicule the age or experience of a QB as having a negligible effect on his success, only reflects the lack of knowledge of the Ranter. The QB position is the only position which requires a complete knowledge of the plays, the positions of all the players, and the assignments of each on every play. Missing a "Read" on a play, or a blocking "Assignment" of a player results in a sack, or worse, an interception. Hours and hours of time are spent studying the defenses and tendencies of all of the opponents in preparing for the game, and in preparing the game plans. Audibles, protections and progressions are prepared for each play, and they are memorized. In the SEC, LSU competes against the finest athletes in the world, who are highly skilled at their respective positions, and highly motivated by exceptional coaches and radical and loudly vocal fan bases, just like those on this rant. In the four games LSU lost this season, all four opponents had fourth year starters at QB. One starter, a fourth year junior, and consensus preseason All-American, and rated 5th in preseason Heisman Polls, had 20 interceptions along with his 20 touchdown passes. Realistically, right now, JJ has Average Knowledge and Skills FOR A FOURTH YEAR QUARTERBACK IN THE SEC. Because of the invaluable experience he gained this year, he will be regarded as the NUMBER 1 JUNIOR QUARTERBACK IN THE SEC NEXT YEAR. IF HE STAYS AT LSU FOR HIS SENIOR YEAR, HIS ATHLETIC SKILLS COUPLED WITH HIS INTELLIGENCE FAR EXCEED ANYTHING WE HAVE HAD AT LSU IN A LONG TIME, AND HE WILL BE THE FAVORITE TO BE THE ALL-SEC QB. Most of the ranters talk about JR with a kind of prayerful admiration. His problem at LSU and the Raiders is the inability or lack of desire to learn the system. JJ has already surpassed anything JR ever understood about the LSU offensive system. JR was drafted #1 because of his arm, not his head. To answer the question posed, JJ is not only an exceptional SEC QB, but with some patience and guidance, in two years he'll be the best of the SEC QB's.
Posted on 1/26/10 at 2:45 pm to Legal Bengal
quote:/debate
To ridicule the age or experience of a QB as having a negligible effect on his success, only reflects the lack of knowledge of the Ranter
Posted on 1/26/10 at 4:22 pm to TigerFan55555
some of you are just never gonna accept jj. i guess we just have to live with that. i don't know what ya'll are expecting of jj. if you expected a 19 year old( and yes there is a difference in a 19 yr old true soph and a 5th year senior, regardless of starts) to just dominate the most defensive conference in the sec without the help of a running and the oc not calling plays to jj's strenghts then yeah ,i guess jj is a failure. people are really showing their true colors when a qb puts up the same numbers as hodson, but is called ignorant.look jj is far from perfect but he is far.from a finished product. its said that most college qbs make the biggest leap in ability from their 2nd to their 3rd years. i just don't know what ya'll wanted jj do to. did you expect.him to lead the sec in passing with no running game. i know most of you think that teams stacked the box against us this past year but that is just not true. after the 1st quarter most teams played a conventionl 7 man front against us. hell we only ran for over 170 yards twice all year against auburn and ull.
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