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re: Airfare: How does this make sense?
Posted on 8/17/10 at 9:54 am to Tigris
Posted on 8/17/10 at 9:54 am to Tigris
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It makes more sense than:
Atlanta to Rome - $2400 business class round trip.
Atlanta to Rome - $5,600 business class one way.
In the same facking seat to Rome.
The round trip flight is in competition with another airline's price. The one way, is not.
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Posted on 8/17/10 at 10:18 am to Golfer
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The round trip flight is in competition with another airline's price. The one way, is not.
Please elaborate.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 10:33 am to Martavius
Delta has a nearly full flight from ATL-FCO. American Airlines does not on the return flight. American keeps their prices lower. Delta must match to keep filling the plane up and receive the revenue
However, on the one way. DL is already nearly full and can charge a premium.
However, on the one way. DL is already nearly full and can charge a premium.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 10:35 am to Golfer
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Delta has a nearly full flight from ATL-FCO. American Airlines does not on the return flight. American keeps their prices lower. Delta must match to keep filling the plane up and receive the revenue
However, on the one way. DL is already nearly full and can charge a premium.
I've been in the business for 23 years and nothing you wrote makes any sense.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 10:39 am to Martavius
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I've been in the business for 23 years and nothing you wrote makes any sense.
My travel industry knowledge comes from the outside. I'm making the assumption that these are L-U-T fares though.
Wouldn't the airline want to match on each segment?
ETA: I can no way explain how in the hell DeltaMatic actually works.
This post was edited on 8/17/10 at 10:40 am
Posted on 8/17/10 at 10:41 am to RedStickBR
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Interesting idea ... look for flights with "layovers" in places which are actually your final destination and then just ditch the second leg of the flight. Doesn't make sense, but cheaper is cheaper.
i actually read this on a money saving blog with random weird tips. however, there was a disclaimer with that tip. Many airlines actually charge if you miss the last leg of the flight. additionally, make sure NOT to check a bag if you do this or your luggage will end up far away.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 10:45 am to skygod123
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i actually read this on a money saving blog with random weird tips. however, there was a disclaimer with that tip.
It's called a "hidden city" and it's against ATPCO tarriff rules. Airline technology has gotten to the point where they can catch people doing this sort of thing and confiscate frequent flyer points, charge you the applicable fare, etc. With the TSA in the mix now, you could also end up on a watch list for doing it.
Some people have tried to challenge this in court but no one has been successful to date that I'm aware of.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 10:45 am to Martavius
made sense to me.
I have stopped trying to figure out airline prices. I look at their business model and see that the only ones making money are the budget airlines, which have radically simpler fare structures, and I conclude that they have no fricking clue what they are doing.
I have stopped trying to figure out airline prices. I look at their business model and see that the only ones making money are the budget airlines, which have radically simpler fare structures, and I conclude that they have no fricking clue what they are doing.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 10:48 am to Martavius
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Airline technology has gotten to the point where they can catch people doing this sort of thing and confiscate frequent flyer points, charge you the applicable fare, etc.
Its crazy now how they can do this. Wife missed a flight last week and before the thing landed they had already canceled her entire itinerary.
And if you have any job openings...let me know. I've always loved the airline industry.
This post was edited on 8/17/10 at 10:50 am
Posted on 8/17/10 at 10:49 am to Golfer
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I'm making the assumption that these are L-U-T fares though.
Wouldn't the airline want to match on each segment?
The example mentions was actually business class which is a premium class of service. There are some discounted round trip fares offered but not as many as economy.
Basically, round trip discounts are geared toward leisure travelers and one way fares are geared toward people traveling for business.
I'll defer from commenting on the airline yield management systems. It is what it is.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 10:51 am to Martavius
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The example mentions was actually business class which is a premium class of service.
Yea, I looked over that. And I'm guessing that Business Class seat was not an D fare and was actually a C class ticket.
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I'll defer from commenting on the airline yield management systems. It is what it is.
This post was edited on 8/17/10 at 10:54 am
Posted on 8/17/10 at 10:55 am to Monkey
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made sense to me.
It would if we were talking about discounted economy fares. In that case, we weren't. I overlooked the Business Class scenario.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 10:55 am to Monkey
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I look at their business model and see that the only ones making money are the budget airlines, which have radically simpler fare structures, and I conclude that they have no fricking clue what they are doing.
All ofthe major airlines made money last quarter except for American. Delta's profit was close to a half a billion.
The legacy carriers have pretty much adopted the low cost carriers fare structure on competing routes. The fare structure isn't really what saves the low cost carriers money. It's the simplified route systems, operating just one or two types of planes in their fleets and in a lot of cases, non-union labor. They also cut most of the intermediaries out of their distribution system and sell mostly direct to consumers.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 10:57 am to Martavius
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They also cut most of the intermediaries out of their distribution system
Like all those NONREV's taking seats...
Posted on 8/17/10 at 11:03 am to Golfer
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Like all those NONREV's taking seats...
Nah, they only get seats that were going to go empty anyway. I mean the Orbitz's and Travelocities and what not. For instance, Southwest doesn't allow any of their fares to be posted on these sites and they have court injuctions against the screen scrapers like kayak to prevent them from returning their fares.
This post was edited on 8/17/10 at 11:04 am
Posted on 8/17/10 at 11:04 am to Martavius
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Nah, they only get seats that were going to go empty anyway.
No, I know...I was just giving you a hard time. (assuming you actually work for a legacy carrier here...)
Posted on 8/17/10 at 11:12 am to Golfer
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L-U-T fares though.
This is how the guy I worked with tried to explain things...but it gets very complicated, very quickly
Posted on 8/17/10 at 11:14 am to lynxcat
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but it gets very complicated, very quickly
Yea, I fly Delta for the most part so I only know about them in detail but they have 25 different fare classes.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 11:26 am to slinger1317
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That is a great story, please tell me you copy & pasted that!!
Indeed. And it's worth noting that if you carry the paint yourself there's an additional $20 per bucket surcharge, but they will deliver at no charge.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 11:33 am to foshizzle
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Indeed. And it's worth noting that if you carry the paint yourself there's an additional $20 per bucket surcharge, but they will deliver at no charge.
Plus you can't bring your own paint brush and paint stirrer into your house. But you can buy them on board for an additional fee.
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