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Posted on 5/2/23 at 2:50 pm to
Posted by TUman
Member since Aug 2005
305 posts
Posted on 5/2/23 at 2:50 pm to
You may get your wish soon enough as the Fed instigated by this corrupt administration will throw in the towel which will lead to hyperinflation. Let these fricking banks FAIL!
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42199 posts
Posted on 5/2/23 at 3:04 pm to
They gone
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
58231 posts
Posted on 5/2/23 at 3:40 pm to
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So what your showing is there is way to many banks and the herd is being thinned out. Is this such a bad thing?


Or.... what I could be saying is that "lowering competition isn't going to create better product".

Or I could be saying that there are lots of bank personnel who make bad business decisions.

But what I'm really saying is "look at this nifty visual representation of bank failures by number, size and year that I found on the interwebz."
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91427 posts
Posted on 5/2/23 at 4:58 pm to
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However, the set up quite similar. The banks just found a different way to over leverage themselves.


It’s not in the same stratosphere.
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4652 posts
Posted on 5/2/23 at 6:11 pm to
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It’s not in the same stratosphere.


Exactly. Totally different issue than 2008. Not even close to the same thing.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20649 posts
Posted on 5/2/23 at 9:38 pm to
What's everyone thing about PACW? They make it out alive? I took a flyer on them I should have sold.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
14725 posts
Posted on 5/3/23 at 7:48 am to
I'm kicking myself for not selling pacw and wal last week ...
Posted by Meauxjeaux
102836 posts including my alters
Member since Jun 2005
46107 posts
Posted on 5/3/23 at 9:34 am to
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I'm kicking myself for not selling pacw and wal last week ...


Got in WAL at 28 and 31... I'm down like .06% rn. Thinkin I'm gonna bail...

And ya was all happy WAL was up last week, shoulda just got out and bought more Tesla.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 9:36 am
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14586 posts
Posted on 5/3/23 at 4:20 pm to
Anyone starting to think about pulling trigger on KRE? Down to $36 in after hours, so I started thinking about DCA’ing this afternoon. Treading very lightly for now, though.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 7:21 pm
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3784 posts
Posted on 5/3/23 at 4:42 pm to
Traders with big balls are making alot of money shorting these regional banks. Wolves chasing antelopes at this point.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14586 posts
Posted on 5/3/23 at 6:10 pm to
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Now I'm NOT saying this is 2008. However, the set up quite similar. The banks just found a different way to over leverage themselves.


Nothing like 2008. Much more like 1986 with S&L than 2008. This is a maturity mismatch/duration risk issue. It’s shocking how bad these banks have beenn, knowing the fed was going to raise rates.

The short sellers are cleaning the system. It is a vicious cycle. Interests rates cause deposits to dwindle for going into treasuries or guaranteed 4-5% returns, stocks go down and that causes a run. Feeding frenzy right now.

Yellen has no clue what she is doing, but they need to raise the FDIC limit on protection substantially or it is going to continue.
This post was edited on 5/4/23 at 2:45 pm
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4652 posts
Posted on 5/3/23 at 7:35 pm to
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Nothing like 2008. Much more like 1986 with S&L than 2008. This is a maturity mismatch/duration risk issue. It’s shocking how bad these banks have beenn, knowing the fed was going to raise rates. The short sellers are cleaning the system. It is a vicious cycle. Interests rattles cause deposits to dwindle for going into treasuries or guaranteed 4-5% returns, stocks go down and that causes a run. Feeding frenzy right now. Yellen has no clue what she is doing, but they need to raise the FDIC limit on protection substantially or it is going to continue.


As a 25+ yr banker, this nails it.

Mismatched for sure. But when you’re sitting on a LTD ratio in the high 70’s, low 80’s making 0.25% on your money in Fed Funds overnight you have to put money out in loans at 3-4% to cover overhead. Toss in fierce competition in almost every market and everyone bending on price it just sets up ugliness.

We are now sitting in 2 hour+ ALCO and ERM meetings looking at shite from 50 different “what if” angles right now. Damned if you pull one lever, damned if you pull another. And the Fed and government aren’t helping (community banks) whatsoever.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 8:29 pm
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6754 posts
Posted on 5/3/23 at 8:43 pm to
The snowball has started and not ripping the bandaid off with SVC, Signature, etc was a horrible, horrible move.

The shorts will tear through every regional bank now - no one will be spared.
Posted by skewbs
Member since Apr 2008
2196 posts
Posted on 5/3/23 at 9:05 pm to
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Mismatched for sure. But when you’re sitting on a LTD ratio in the high 70’s, low 80’s making 0.25% on your money in Fed Funds overnight you have to put money out in loans at 3-4% to cover overhead.


Exactly. They broke the #1 rule of borrowing short (unsecured deposits) and lending long (loans / mortgages). Rising rates may be the culprit here, but it is just exposing how out of balance these banks were.
Posted by SiriusBraveFan
Member since Nov 2014
731 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 6:58 am to
Maybe a dumb question but what do you do with the customer deposits? Should banks have invested more in money market funds themselves and then in turn raise interest rates they pay on customer deposits more aggressively?
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
58231 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 7:26 am to
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Maybe a dumb question but what do you do with the customer deposits?


The short answer is: they invest them in some manner.

I thought the reserve requirement was 10%, but apparently now it's zero (any banking folks, please feel free to correct me if that's wrong).

But let's say there is a reserve ratio (the portion of deposits they have to keep on hand) of 2%. That would mean they have 98% to use to make a profit for themselves. The majority of that (80%-90%) would likely be loaned out to consumers and other banks (banks who need to meet their reserve ratios, these are overnight loans). The rest would be invested in low-risk securities (2-year bonds, for example).

This is all a high-level view so take it with a grain of salt.

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