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re: Haynesville Shale
Posted on 6/19/08 at 1:01 pm to LSU Wants A Strike
Posted on 6/19/08 at 1:01 pm to LSU Wants A Strike
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I hear the BHT (bottom hole temps) in the HS are up to 350 deg. I don't think they are considered high pressure wells.
The deep Tuscaloosa gas trend is very different from this shale play, and you might want to check that statement as these are very high pressure wells, up to 8,000 lbs. Not quite like places in South LA, but that kind of pressure is almost unheard of for North LA. Every formation is different economically. The Haynesville shale is not going to work at substantial depths. There aren't any horizontal Tuscaloosa wells where BP is drilling in Judge Digby, Morganza, Moore-Sams, and Profit Island around Baton Rouge, and nearly all of the shale wells are going to be horizontal.
This post was edited on 6/19/08 at 1:08 pm
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Posted on 6/19/08 at 1:05 pm to insomniacnla
Hey Insomniacnla--what part of Stonewall are you in? We are off of Stanley Rd. We are cuurently under lease with JPD with a shallow well that is about tapped dry. We are wondering if we will benefit at all from the Haynesville Shale in our area. What have you heard recently?
Posted on 6/19/08 at 1:18 pm to TigerDog83
Tigerdog..do you have knowledge of the geological area where our property is located in Goldonna La?..Natchitoches Parish..12, 12, 6 especially depths...any information is helpful 
Posted on 6/19/08 at 1:26 pm to LSU Wants A Strike
Parts of northern Natchitoches parish are going to be prospective, but until someone can drill economically successful wells there, it will remain simply prospective. The Encana Messenger well is drilling right now. If it is a good well that will help to determine the feasibility of Natchitoches parish. Take a look at the most recent Petrohawk maps on their website under presentations and you can see where your acreage fits under their estimated prospective area.
Posted on 6/19/08 at 1:31 pm to dpourteau
I am over by I-49. I am no expert at all but I have been keeping up with Glen Rose wells that Caruthers drilled from the beginning. JPD signed most of the landowners up and gathered the leases and then assigned the leases to Caruthers. I think that Stanley Road is Sections 21 & 22. Caruthers assigned a portion (I don't think all) of their interests in the wells and leases to Sunland in the fall of 2006. On some of the leases, there was no Pugh Clause in the lease and the shallow Glen Rose production holds the entire lease. Closer to me in Section 14, which is north of your location, Sunland in 2006 and had the landowners (who had a Pugh Clause) sign a new lease for deeper depths. Look at your lease and see if it has a Pugh Clause.
The production on the Glen Rose wells has remained strong in most of them except the Leverette and San Patricio No.2. In Section 14, all 4 wells are doing at least 40,000 MCF per month with the Ackie Hall well producing over 60,000 MCF.
Get someone to look at your lease to see if you have depth restrictions.
The production on the Glen Rose wells has remained strong in most of them except the Leverette and San Patricio No.2. In Section 14, all 4 wells are doing at least 40,000 MCF per month with the Ackie Hall well producing over 60,000 MCF.
Get someone to look at your lease to see if you have depth restrictions.
Posted on 6/19/08 at 1:37 pm to insomniacnla
I will look at our lease. We are on the Dyson well and you are correct Sunland is who currently sends our checks. We haven't heard anything from anyone and Sunland sure isn't talking. I'm not waiting on anyone to come to me, so I wanted to see what my options are since the lease is almost up and well is about dry. I sure don't want a buy out at 3/16th's with no negotiating.
Posted on 6/19/08 at 1:43 pm to dpourteau
Chesapeake is leasing in Stonewall, neighbors have signed for $12,500 and more for others in our area. XTO is offering at least $10,000 also. You can call either of those companies and tell them you are not sure if you are still under lease for the primary term or if the production holds your property. They will tell you quickly what they think on the lease research and it will be free and quick. But you should also have someone that knows about these things to look at your lease.
Posted on 6/19/08 at 1:46 pm to insomniacnla
Thanks you have been most helpful!
Posted on 6/19/08 at 2:24 pm to TigerDog83
Tigerdog83
I see you know the fields around NewRoads. Have you worked down here before?
I didn't discuss mud weights with the person who told me about Temps. I imagined a 13.0 ppg mud weights for these wells. I haven't been on any wells in North La. but I do know most don't require very heavy mud weights. You are correct, 8000 psi is high for up there. I'm used to seeing 18.5 ppg mw. IMO that's HTHP.
I am still more in shock of the BHT for the depth of the wells in the HS. I think the rule of thumb for S La is "100 deg + 1 deg/100' TVD". Getting directional tools(mud motors, rotary stearable) to last in high temps is always a problem.
There are a few directional wells (30-45deg)in the Tusc Trend. If Encore is right about the Tusc Marine Shale, there could be some horizontal wells drilled around New Roads. These would vary in depth from 16500' Morganza north end to 18500' TVD in the Judge Digby field. I could be off some on my depths. Just from what I read on the TMS website, it looks like they are talking about the shale section in what we call the A and B sands. They call it the upper tusc and lower tusc. The one constant is the pilot lime, everybody seems to call it the same.
I see you know the fields around NewRoads. Have you worked down here before?
I didn't discuss mud weights with the person who told me about Temps. I imagined a 13.0 ppg mud weights for these wells. I haven't been on any wells in North La. but I do know most don't require very heavy mud weights. You are correct, 8000 psi is high for up there. I'm used to seeing 18.5 ppg mw. IMO that's HTHP.
I am still more in shock of the BHT for the depth of the wells in the HS. I think the rule of thumb for S La is "100 deg + 1 deg/100' TVD". Getting directional tools(mud motors, rotary stearable) to last in high temps is always a problem.
There are a few directional wells (30-45deg)in the Tusc Trend. If Encore is right about the Tusc Marine Shale, there could be some horizontal wells drilled around New Roads. These would vary in depth from 16500' Morganza north end to 18500' TVD in the Judge Digby field. I could be off some on my depths. Just from what I read on the TMS website, it looks like they are talking about the shale section in what we call the A and B sands. They call it the upper tusc and lower tusc. The one constant is the pilot lime, everybody seems to call it the same.
This post was edited on 6/19/08 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 6/19/08 at 2:34 pm to H2Oproof Tiger
The Tuscaloosa Marine Shale is located in the Florida Parishes. It is a little bit different than the deep Tuscaloosa trend around Baton Rouge. Encore's first well IP'd for 74 BOPD. At a cost of near ten million dollars to drill and complete, that doesn't come close to working economically. The depth is beween 10,000' - 14,000'. I would hate to see the cost of drilling a horizontal well in a field like Judge Digby or Profit Island, if it is even possible.
Posted on 6/19/08 at 2:48 pm to TigerDog83
Thanks again for bearing with me on these questions. I know they must sound really dumb to you but, I really appreciate you taking the time to answer them. The Geologist I spoke with was last week not forty years ago. When you say driller do you mean the oil company? Yes, I can understand what you are saying about that but, I understand that 3D seismic is not cheap and since my last post I was informed that they are doing it there because they think it is drillable. Is there anyway to find out the elevation of the area and how deep is deep or to locate the information that was done by Placid Oil forty years ago with the use of 2D? Do records like that exist anywhere? Thanks.
Posted on 6/19/08 at 3:08 pm to msesh
Good luck getting any data out of Placid (Now part of one of the Hunt companies I believe). Somebody would have the 2D seismic data be it either Placid or a seismic company, but you would have to purchase it (if you can even locate it for sale) and then you would have to find a geophysicist to interpret the data. Old 2D Seismic probably really won't help you too much, since you aren't looking for oil and gas trapping on a fault here. You really won't be able to know how deep the zone is around your lands without a well being drilled somewhere close to your lands encountering the zone. As far as Placid saying you had gas on your land 40 years ago, it seems like everybody is saying that lately based on very little factual information.
This post was edited on 6/19/08 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 6/19/08 at 3:48 pm to TigerDog83
A huge percentage of landowners that I have dealt with in the oil and gas business over the past 30 years knew a driller or had an uncle, whose neighbor's daddy-in-law said that there is oil/gas under their land. Now, how this man knew it, I haven't a clue. I sure would like to hire him. Or they'll say that there was a well drilled nearby and it had oil/gas but they capped it (for various reasons). Or some driller in 1967 said the well almost blew out on them, the gas was so strong during drilling. And yet, the well was a dry hole. It happens a LOT that you hear these tales. I bet I've heard ten tales this week alone.
Posted on 6/19/08 at 3:48 pm to TigerDog83
TigerDog (or anyone else), do you have any recent intel on Encana's Messenger well?
There has been some chatter on various boards indicating (a) they have drilled to nearly 10,000' and expect to wrap up the vertical in a few weeks, (b) 15 Nabors Drilling units will be coming to the immediate area, (c) Encana is about to put in pipe from the Messenger well to the new pipeline near hwy 1, (d) there was a 14,000' well drilled in the 80's at the Messenger site that had to be shut in because so much gas was coming out.
There has been some chatter on various boards indicating (a) they have drilled to nearly 10,000' and expect to wrap up the vertical in a few weeks, (b) 15 Nabors Drilling units will be coming to the immediate area, (c) Encana is about to put in pipe from the Messenger well to the new pipeline near hwy 1, (d) there was a 14,000' well drilled in the 80's at the Messenger site that had to be shut in because so much gas was coming out.
This post was edited on 6/19/08 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 6/19/08 at 3:53 pm to 330ash
I've seen the logs of the Messenger well that was drilled by ANR Production. It had one or two ratty Cotton Valley sands that had very low porosity. The well obviously wasn't any good, or else it would have been completed then. Anybody saying it was making a ton of gas is mistaken. Most of the rest of that is probably rumors also. Maybe the Nabors rig part might be factual as Encana did state they were increasing their rig count to 8 (per their presentation Monday) by years end. It is amusing to read all the rumors floating around. Even for a business that always has operated in a rumor filled environment, the comments some landowners have made recently are incredible.
This post was edited on 6/19/08 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 6/19/08 at 4:03 pm to TigerDog83
Why do you think Encana is drilling on the same site as the ANR well? Are they looking to establish the boundary of the play?
Posted on 6/19/08 at 4:05 pm to 330ash
They probably chose that site because the remnants of the original rock base were already there for the access road and well pad and this might have made it a bit cheaper. They also think they will make a well, like anybody who chooses to drill in any location.
This post was edited on 6/19/08 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 6/19/08 at 4:09 pm to 330ash
i have a ?
when the seismic is completed on my property im assuming that the data is turned over to which ever oil company hired them to do it or is interested (again, i haven't a clue) my ? however, is there a way that I can get a copy of the findings?
Do you know anything about Seismic Exchange, Inc
when the seismic is completed on my property im assuming that the data is turned over to which ever oil company hired them to do it or is interested (again, i haven't a clue) my ? however, is there a way that I can get a copy of the findings?
Do you know anything about Seismic Exchange, Inc
Posted on 6/19/08 at 4:20 pm to LSU Wants A Strike
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when the seismic is completed on my property im assuming that the data is turned over to which ever oil company hired them to do it or is interested (again, i haven't a clue) my ? however, is there a way that I can get a copy of the findings?
To the first part of your question, the data will be given to whatever company contracted for the seismic survey. To the second part, most likely, no. When you signed the agreement, you received money in exchange for the right of the seismic company to conduct the survey on your land. The company which paid for the seismic contractor to conduct the survey will consider this information propreitary and confidential. Anyway, unless you are a trained geophysicist, or hire one to interpret the data for you, the "findings" will be of little use to you.
Posted on 6/19/08 at 4:22 pm to beauthelab
People don't understand that well logs and seismic are only as good as who is interpreting them. People look at seismic all the time and miss things like faults for example. Part of the reason the South Louisiana/Gulf Coast area is so tough to work for oil and gas exploration.
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