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re: Investing In Tesla
Posted on 4/25/19 at 7:03 am to TigerDeBaiter
Posted on 4/25/19 at 7:03 am to TigerDeBaiter
Research Analysts notes on the qtr... “Catastrophic”.
Wedbush called the earnings call as one of the “top debacles we have ever seen”
You are out of your mind if you buy one of these cars or the stock
Wedbush called the earnings call as one of the “top debacles we have ever seen”
You are out of your mind if you buy one of these cars or the stock
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Posted on 4/25/19 at 7:29 am to LSU2a
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You clearly didn't watch the autonomy day presentation. They demonstrate that they are the only company that has a huge fleet of vehicles gathering real world data, such as construction zones or people waving their hand, and adding those patterns to the neural network that will be able to recognize these exceptional circumstances and act appropriately.
Just answer me this: will Tesla have a robo-taxi fleet of a million cars by the end of 2020?
What basis do have for that? That Elon said so? Because he certainly hasn’t lied before.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 7:29 am to Man4others
Meh. Nothing wrong with the car
Posted on 4/25/19 at 7:30 am to Man4others
quote:
Wedbush called the earnings call as one of the “top debacles we have ever seen”
All things aside, burned 1.5bn cash, including a 920mm convert paid in cash and drew another 450mm in debt. Moody’s about to downgrade Tesla to oblivion.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 7:54 am to southernelite
Bolivia, you mean.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 8:27 am to southernelite
Don’t forget...They are going to be selling insurance in a month. Like the junk rated, cash strapped car company will get approved to do that.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 9:22 am to Man4others
That was the “all things aside”.
What a fricking joke.
What a fricking joke.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 3:36 pm to LSU2a
quote:
They demonstrate that they are the only company that has a huge fleet of vehicles gathering real world data, such as construction zones or people waving their hand, and adding those patterns to the neural network that will be able to recognize these exceptional circumstances and act appropriately.
how did they demonstrate they're the only company doing this I can think of several that are there already as well. if tesla is ahead somewhere its beyond me as to where
Posted on 4/26/19 at 12:28 pm to southernelite
Down 5% today after Elon made fun of Jim Cramer over Twitter. Just weird behavior
Posted on 4/27/19 at 11:09 am to southernelite
quote:
Just answer me this: will Tesla have a robo-taxi fleet of a million cars by the end of 2020? What basis do have for that? That Elon said so? Because he certainly hasn’t lied before.
I haven’t looked into what the prediction actually means. If this fleet will include willing customer’s vehicles then this prediction will be easy to meet. Elon tends to meet his predictions, just usually a bit late lol.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 11:23 am to oklahogjr
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how did they demonstrate they're the only company doing this I can think of several that are there already as well. if tesla is ahead somewhere its beyond me as to where
Name one other company that has hundreds of thousands of vehicles with full recording capabilities out on the road obtaining data relevant to developing a fully self driving system? The greatest part is that the paying customers are basically giving Tesla most of the data they need as willing test subjects. Tesla is quite obviously in the lead for developing autonomous driving by a large margin. Also, Tesla revealed that they now have a computer system designed specifically for self driving that provides them a massive advantage in hardware performance over competitors, especially with regards to energy efficiency which is important in electric vehicles.
This post was edited on 4/27/19 at 11:24 am
Posted on 5/20/19 at 7:22 am to dabigfella
down 9.02 (-4.27%) to 202.01 pre-market 
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:16 am to LSU2a
Being a tech company and being a manufacturing company are two VERY different skill sets. Tesla may be good at the tech but every major car manufacturer runs laps around them for production. Would be much better served to outsource production IMO for the long term benefit of the company.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:17 am to southernelite
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down 9.02 (-4.27%) to 202.01 pre-market
Are they really sinking for the long haul or is this a "buy?"
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:28 am to S1C EM
Nothing wrong with a little speculating in your portfolio.
Their ideas are the future, but they may not be the one that end up getting us there.
Their ideas are the future, but they may not be the one that end up getting us there.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:29 am to S1C EM
I’ve heard it was a buy at $350 all the way down, sure why not.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:40 am to dabigfella
i don't understand why people feel the need to hate this company so much, i've rode in one of their cars and the comfort and technology is beyond any car ive ever been in, not to mention the torque of the electric motor pins you like a launch on a roller coaster
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:08 am to DVinBR
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i don't understand why people feel the need to hate this company so much
For a lot of people it is not about the company. It is more about Musk.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:14 am to DVinBR
A good product doesn't mean the stock is a good purchase, though. I made a post earlier in this thread comparing its fundamentals to Ford and GM. Most of that is still valid: TSLA is a company in similar levels of indebtedness as those two but still isn't producing a profit. TSLA also has a history of over-promising and under-delivering.
On the basis of stock, TSLA's market cap is now below those two($35b vs F's $40b and GM's $52b), but the stock price of TSLA is 7.5x tangible book value. F is 1.17x, and GM is 1.55. And for F, you could've bought at or below tangible book value between Dec 10 and Jan 10 (and even after on the dips until April). GM and F are also paying dividends while TSLA can't because it's burning cash and trying to raise more.
Like I said before, TSLA could be the future, but you're left wondering how much stock price growth you're left to enjoy vs the potential losses.
On the basis of stock, TSLA's market cap is now below those two($35b vs F's $40b and GM's $52b), but the stock price of TSLA is 7.5x tangible book value. F is 1.17x, and GM is 1.55. And for F, you could've bought at or below tangible book value between Dec 10 and Jan 10 (and even after on the dips until April). GM and F are also paying dividends while TSLA can't because it's burning cash and trying to raise more.
Like I said before, TSLA could be the future, but you're left wondering how much stock price growth you're left to enjoy vs the potential losses.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 1:21 pm to DVinBR
quote:I don't "hate this company." I'm all for companies trying to think outside the box and build a better product.
i don't understand why people feel the need to hate this company so much,
But I admit I have gotten put off by the Tesla fan boys, like the guy who started this thread two years ago, who go straight to DefCon 1 at the first sign anyone might think there are some risks buying TSLA stock.
Early on in this thread all I said about TSLA in answer to the OP's invitation for others to comment on the stock was that it was, IMO, a speculative stock. I said it was possible someone buying the stock could do really well or the company could go bankrupt.
I mentioned the cash burn of the company and that concerned me, too.
You would have thought I disparaged the OP's mother the way he became enraged.
The closing price of TSLA the day of the OP was $310. If you read the OP, the poster was predicting the price would go to "18 months I'll say $500-700..."
That didn't happen and today the price is fluctuating between $195-$205.
The OP's fanaticism for the company got me more interested in Elon Musk's role and it soon became apparent Musk is a habitual liar. Not a single one of his forecasts for Tesla were achieved by the date he committed to. NOT ONE!
I still think there is risk in the stock. Too much risk for my risk appetite.
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