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re: #18 Virginia/Wisconsin Set College Basketball Back 40 Years
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:20 am to Ralph_Wiggum
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:20 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Wisconsin basketball has been a joke since Dick Bennett was hired. It continued to Bo and this new guy Gaard or whatever. What's really bad is that their fanbase actually thinks they are a good basketball school and a national power.
19 straight NCAAT appearances
National runner up in 2015
Final Four in 2014 and 2015
They've made the Sweet 16 pretty much every year over the past 10 years
That's pretty damn good.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 7:21 am
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:23 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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What's really bad is that their fanbase actually thinks they are a good basketball school
Are you contending that they are not? Wisconsin is a Top-10 program in wins and tournament wins since 2000. With 351 Division I programs, I would go forth and say that Wisconsin is a good basketball school seeing that they are in the top 2 percent.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:26 am to pioneerbasketball
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I couldn't believe it.
I can.
The two teams played each other in 2013-14 and the final score was 48-38 in favor of Wisconsin. That game featured five NBA draft picks and four others playing in the G League.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:29 am to pioneerbasketball
Virginia (and usually Wisconsin, not sure about this year) plays solid, efficient basketball. Others would be well-served to stop trying to be Duke or UNC and start trying to win.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:23 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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What's really bad is that their fanbase actually thinks they are a good basketball school
They ARE a good basketball school, dummy
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:23 am to pioneerbasketball
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Virginia won 49-37
Florida basketball offense has spoiled me so far this year
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:44 am to pioneerbasketball
That score sums up Bennett and Bo Ryan/Gard basketball for you.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:44 am to pioneerbasketball
Gene Keady must be proud.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:47 am to Alt26
The product of College Basketball is horrendous, and that is coming from someone who likes college sports more than pro.
Also, their Mickey Mouse 1 game elimination 68 team tournament is a joke too, but people love "the excitement"
Also, their Mickey Mouse 1 game elimination 68 team tournament is a joke too, but people love "the excitement"
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:28 am to lsupride87
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The product of College Basketball is horrendous, and that is coming from someone who likes college sports more than pro.
I think that is a little harsh. Virginia is notoriously known as a strong defensive team. They rarely score 60+ points, but they'll sure hold you to around 40 points. That in itself is impressive.
Furthermore, Wisconsin has the reputation for playing "slow it down, kill the clock, take the best shot" basketball. It isn't for everyone, but they play to their strength set and are very successful at it.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:38 am to pioneerbasketball
you must not be looking at the box scores, there were several games this past week where teams couldnt get to 20 at half.
There was a game where both teams were under 20 at the half.
CBB is getting as bad as the NFL in product. Just poor coaching, play, and officiating.
Like i said in another thread, 1 team was 1/20 for 3's in 1st half, and continued to fire them up, and lost by 20+.
Players and teams are going to continue to do what's not working, till the game is over.
There was a game where both teams were under 20 at the half.
CBB is getting as bad as the NFL in product. Just poor coaching, play, and officiating.
Like i said in another thread, 1 team was 1/20 for 3's in 1st half, and continued to fire them up, and lost by 20+.
Players and teams are going to continue to do what's not working, till the game is over.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:53 am to pioneerbasketball
I stopped intently watching College Basketball after the death of the Big East. That was the conference and the tournament.
All these teams just duking and slugging it out in New York City.
That was the premier product and it was done away with. College basketball is vastly inferior and boring now.
Syracuse
UCONN
St. John's
Georgetown
Villanova
Seton Hall
Boston College
Pitt
West Virginia
Providence
Notre Dame
All these teams just duking and slugging it out in New York City.
That was the premier product and it was done away with. College basketball is vastly inferior and boring now.
Syracuse
UCONN
St. John's
Georgetown
Villanova
Seton Hall
Boston College
Pitt
West Virginia
Providence
Notre Dame
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:54 am to pioneerbasketball
I'll never understand people who can't enjoy a slowed down basketball game. I love the different styles you get in college basketball. Fast paced basketball, on its own, doesn't do anything for me.
A team that can control the tempo, play good defense, and execute in the half court is fun to watch, IMO.
A team that can control the tempo, play good defense, and execute in the half court is fun to watch, IMO.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:03 am to moneyg
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I'll never understand people who can't enjoy a slowed down basketball game. I love the different styles you get in college basketball. Fast paced basketball, on its own, doesn't do anything for me.
A team that can control the tempo, play good defense, and execute in the half court is fun to watch, IMO.
In general, I would agree, but, without trying to imply you claimed so, last night was not a good example. Neither team looked good, but that may be the nature of two traditionally, good defensive teams that play half-court offense playing one another.
These teams combined for 85 points in 2013 with five NBA players on the court. There were only a couple last night, so the outcome didn't surprise me.
Can't speak on behalf of Virginia, but Wisconsin is very young. They have three talented freshmen, but there are/were going to be plenty of growing pains. Knowing the program Wisconsin is, though, fans are a bit frustrated that they were not able to pull out wins against any of Xavier, Baylor, UCLA, and/or UVA, all of whom are ranked foes. Wisconsin had an opportunity to beat the first three, but it never felt they had any control of the game last night.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:11 am to moneyg
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Fast paced basketball, on its own, doesn't do anything for me.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:12 am to hoopsgalore
quote:These coaches should be flogged.
The two teams played each other in 2013-14 and the final score was 48-38 in favor of Wisconsin. That game featured five NBA draft picks and four others playing in the G League.
No coaches on earth can stifle talent like a college basketball coach.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:16 am to moneyg
quote:It's college basketball. They usually don't execute in the half court well enough to make those games exciting. IMO, college basketball needs pace and a level of chaos to maximize its entertainment.
I'll never understand people who can't enjoy a slowed down basketball game. I love the different styles you get in college basketball. Fast paced basketball, on its own, doesn't do anything for me.
A team that can control the tempo, play good defense, and execute in the half court is fun to watch, IMO.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:19 am to ReauxlTide222
I would think the reduced shot clock is at least helping a bit. Grantland had an interesting piece a few years back on the slow styles and how college should just go to 24 seconds.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:23 am to ReauxlTide222
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It's college basketball. They usually don't execute in the half court well enough to make those games exciting. IMO, college basketball needs pace and a level of chaos to maximize its entertainment.
Virginia and Wisconsin shouldn't give a crap about entertainment. They've found program identities that help them win. In UVA's case, they struggled to find that identity since they had Ralph Sampson.
If teams want to beat them, they need to execute in the half court. It's not UVA or UW's fault if other teams can't do that.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:30 pm to pioneerbasketball
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Set College Basketball Back 40 Years
Good. There is a lot of really bad basketball being played at the college level today. 40 years is a little too far but we'd have a lot of really great years to look forward to.
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