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re: 1995 Nebraska vs. 2011 Alabama
Posted on 7/18/22 at 7:24 am to GentleJackJones
Posted on 7/18/22 at 7:24 am to GentleJackJones
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1995 Nebraska vs. 2011 Alabama
2011 Alabama team got their arse whooped on their home field by LSU and Bama finished in 3rd place in the SEC that year.
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Posted on 7/18/22 at 9:38 am to GentleJackJones
are you going to answer my question?
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:34 am to moontigr
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Again, that Scott Frost's first year at QB. Totally different from Frazier. The previous year, Frazier & Co. dropped 77 on the Sun Devils. Not sure why people are continuing to talk about the 96 team. It was a huge step down from the Frazier era.
Not as much as you think.
Someone prove me wrong on this point: ‘95 Nebraska had an easier road to a dominant undefeated season than most of Osborne’s teams.
Some things to keep in mind:
1. Osborne was 5-12 against Barry Switzer and 8-1 against OU after he left and the bottom fell out of the program. ‘95 Nebraska did not have to face a Switzer-led Oklahoma in the regular season. Most of his teams did. That’s a big advantage for ‘95 Nebraska.
2. People keep mentioning the top ten teams they played: Kansas, Kansas State, and Colorado. Osborne was 25-0 against Kansas, 25-0 against Kansas State, and 21-4 against Colorado. He almost always dominated those teams. Now I’m sure they were like the ‘85 Bears in 1995, but If Osborne’s other 24 teams only had worry about a Switzerless Big 8, no strong non-conference opponent (no Bryant/Alabama, FSU/Bowden, or other great teams Nebraska sometimes played out of conference), and no conference championship (which cost the ‘96 team a shot) he would have had undoubtedly had several more undefeated seasons.
3. They faced a bowl opponent with zero familiarity with their unique offensive style and placed little emphasis on defense or anything to do with a running game. This is quite different from the FSU and Miami teams that did emphasize defense and had coaches like Jimmy Johnson and Mickey Andrews who were very familiar with Osborne.
I think ‘95 was Osborne’s best team but they indisputably had an easier path to greatness compared to most (if not all) of his other teams that came up short.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 2:39 pm to Globetrotter747
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2. People keep mentioning the top ten teams they played: Kansas, Kansas State, and Colorado. Osborne was 25-0 against Kansas, 25-0 against Kansas State, and 21-4 against Colorado. He almost always dominated those teams. Now I’m sure they were like the ‘85 Bears in 1995, but If Osborne’s other 24 teams only had worry about a Switzerless Big 8, no strong non-conference opponent (no Bryant/Alabama, FSU/Bowden, or other great teams Nebraska sometimes played out of conference), and no conference championship (which cost the ‘96 team a shot) he would have had undoubtedly had several more undefeated seasons.
You keep bringing this up like this is some sort of good point.
Nebraska was 4-0 vs. ranked opponents that season, all of which finished the season ranked in the top 25.
Colorado was a top 10 program from the late 80's - mid 90's. Colorado finished that year ranked 5th and was 5-2 against ranked opponents that season. For reference, here's the rest of the top 5 against ranked opponents that year: UF was 5-1, Tennessee was 3-1, and FSU was 1-2.
Nebraska absolutely obliterated everyone on a schedule that was as good or better than all of the other top teams that year.
This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 7/18/22 at 2:49 pm to Globetrotter747
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He almost always dominated those teams
FSU was like 5-1-1 in early-mid 90s against Florida.
does that mean you can't count Florida as a tough game for them?
Can Alabama not count LSU as a tough opponent in 2012-2015?
Posted on 7/18/22 at 6:19 pm to Nutriaitch
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Someone prove me wrong on this point: ‘95 Nebraska had an easier road to a dominant undefeated season than most of Osborne’s teams.
Still hasn’t been answered.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 6:22 pm to Globetrotter747
How could they have had an easier path when 1 loss would’ve knocked them out of the running and they’re being compared to a team that didn’t even win its division in conf?
Posted on 7/18/22 at 6:30 pm to Madking
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How could they have had an easier path when 1 loss would’ve knocked them out of the running and they’re being compared to a team that didn’t even win its division in conf?
Still no answer.
Fast Fact: Two 1996 first round draft picks played on or against ‘95 Nebraska. Seventeen 2020 first round draft picks played for or against ‘19 LSU.
That’s an absolutely ridiculous difference and speaks to how NFL talent has concentrated in the SEC in recent years. Back in the mid ‘90s the talent was spread across more programs.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 6:33 pm to Globetrotter747
So you’re saying teams should be retroactively ranked based on draft picks. Ok go ahead and do that, I’ll wait to see what you come up with and how it compares with those teams success while they were in college.
This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 7/18/22 at 6:51 pm to Madking
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So you’re saying teams should be retroactively ranked based on draft picks. Ok go ahead and do that, I’ll wait to see what you come up with and how it compares with those teams success while they were in college.
By what measure did 1995 Nebraska have more success than 2019 LSU? They conquered the mighty football state of Kansas?
LSU had three more wins, beat better teams with better players, won more awards, and had more draft picks.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 6:56 pm to Globetrotter747
I’m not comparing them to 2019 LSU, the thread title is 1995 Nebraska vs 2011 Alabama. If I misunderstood your argument I apologize. I don’t think 1995 Nebraska would beat 2019 LSU, I think the 2019 team is the best team in CFB history. I just don’t think arbitrary comparisons factor in, I think you should judge teams by what they could and couldn’t do on the field. Those Nebraska teams beat teams who had tons of great NFL players but Nebraska itself only had a couple positions that translated to the NFL because of how they were designed. It doesn’t minimize what they accomplished and could do at the college level.
This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 7/18/22 at 8:10 pm to Globetrotter747
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By what measure did 1995 Nebraska have more success than 2019 LSU? They conquered the mighty football state of Kansas?
LSU had three more wins, beat better teams with better players, won more awards, and had more draft picks.
It's not Nebraska's faulty that LSU played 3 more games; that's just the way things worked back then. It didn't matter. Nebraska could've played 3, 10, 20, 100 more games that season - nobody was beating them. 2019 LSU was challenged at times - Nebraska 95 never was. If you want to compare statistical data, go to the Sagarin ratings. He incorporates all sorts of various elements, including quality wins and strength of schedule. Nebraska 95 is far and away the GOAT.
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By what measure did 1995 Nebraska have more success than 2019 LSU?
*Won every game by double digits
*Trailed one time all year, following an opponent's first drive of the game (an 87-yard run)
*Averaged 7 ypc AS A TEAM
*Average margin of victory was 38.6 points, despite regularly resting starters after halftime
*Averaged 53.2 points per game
*Wins over four Top 10 teams by an average score of 49-18
*Didn't allow a single sack all season
*Rushed for 51 touchdowns and 400 yards per game while allowing only 6 rushing touchdowns all seasonAllowed a total of 5 punt returns for a total of 12 yards for the season
*Florida had won every one of their first 12 games by double digits and the Gator offense averaged over 44 points, 360 passing yards, and 534 yards of total offense per game. The Nebraska defense limited the Gators to 269 yards of offense and -28 rushing yards while registering a safety, seven quarterback sacks, and three interceptions
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 9:18 am
Posted on 7/18/22 at 8:16 pm to moontigr
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2019 LSU was challenged at times -
No one ever had possession with a chance to take the lead. Nebraska was more dominant, but to say LSU was challenged is a stretch.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 8:36 am
Posted on 7/18/22 at 8:21 pm to LNCHBOX
They’re closer than some would like to believe but Burrow and LSU would expose the one area of weakness for Nebraska which was the LB position. Jefferson and CEH would’ve caused a ton of trouble underneath leaving Chase 1 on 1 and even though Tyrone Williams was a great corner all Chase needs to do is win a few times and it’s lights out. I think Bama could score some points but not enough to beat Burrow and comp.
This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 7/18/22 at 8:25 pm to Madking
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Nebraska itself only had a couple positions that translated to the NFL because of how they were designed
I disagree. Nebraska had guys at pretty much every position that ended up on NFL rosters. The only position that didn’t translate well to the NFL was Frazier at option QB. Berringer (had he lived) was going to be one of the first QBs chosen in the draft.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 8:27 pm to Madking
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Burrow and LSU would expose the one area of weakness for Nebraska which was the LB position
The best player on the entire defense was Terrell Farley - the guy was an absolute freak, just couldn’t stay out of trouble
Posted on 7/18/22 at 8:29 pm to moontigr
There were a few outliers like Stanley Morgan at WR for example but no, for obvious reasons there were fewer positions that translated than would for a more pro style team.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 8:30 pm to moontigr
Farley didn’t start getting into trouble until the following year and was nowhere near their best player.
This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 7/18/22 at 8:41 pm to GentleJackJones
the huskers OL would just maul the bammer front 7. not a fair match up
Posted on 7/18/22 at 8:43 pm to Madking
I thought you were talking specifically about the 95 team.
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