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re: Astros Baseball!!!!!
Posted on 2/24/10 at 8:21 am to Prominentwon
Posted on 2/24/10 at 8:21 am to Prominentwon
Wow. I think this cat thinks the astros have a chance to make the playoffs. I might piss myself.
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Posted on 2/24/10 at 8:43 am to reddman
Humberto Quintero -- the savior of all that is holy.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 10:45 am to LSU32
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Astros Baseball!!!!!
Posted on 2/24/10 at 10:51 am to BamaHater
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They put asses in the seats
Then he might want to check the attendence figures, the fans aren't stupid either.
LINK
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only team in MLB that still does not allow fans to bring in food and drink into the stadium.
I'd like to see a link for that, I've never been to any stadium/arena for any event that allowed you to bring in food or drink beyond say baby food. Or movies for that matter. There may be some places that allow it a picnic area or something, but unless someone can show otherwise I'm gonna guess you can't just stroll in the Yankee Stadium with a full lunch box.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 10:53 am to mattz1122
quote:Have you seen the Yankees outfield recently? He seems right up their alley.
em is nobody wants a fat arse defensive liability who's in decline and has an enormous contract with three years left.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 10:57 am to mattz1122
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And this is only cemented by the fact that he will likely sell the team in the near future. So there's no future money to be made by him from 20 year old prospects.
This makes no sense at all.
He won't trade the guys because he thinks they can make a run not because it will hurt short term profits. The big cash is in the sale of the team, that won't be affected much either way. They should keep Lance as a face of the franchise, but should have shopped Oswalt a couple of years ago, his trade value is diminishing each day. Lee is basicall untradeable and exhibt A of Drayton's belief that the team was close when they were clearly in decline.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 2:29 pm to H-Town Tiger
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He won't trade the guys because he thinks they can make a run not because it will hurt short term profits.
He's not that stupid. He realizes that the current Astros team is mediocre at best. At least with Berkman and Oswalt, the franchise has some kind of identity.
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The big cash is in the sale of the team, that won't be affected much either way.
Which is indefinite at this point. It could happen two years down the road. It's not like he doesn't care about making money in the meantime.
And considering how mediocre the Astros have been, their attendance has been pretty good. If Drayton trades Berkman and Oswalt, who would be the face of the franchise? Why would anybody go to the games?
Posted on 2/24/10 at 3:08 pm to mattz1122
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He realizes that the current Astros team is mediocre at best
I certainly hope so, but that is not the way he presents the team in public, I realize he can't say the team is mediocre, he his actions seem like the thinks the team is close to contending (signing Lee, trading for Tejada).
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It's not like he doesn't care about making money in the meantime.
If they dumped salary, he could still make more, even if attendence plummeted. He may even make more that way.
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And considering how mediocre the Astros have been, their attendance has been pretty good
It dropped by 500,000 since 2006. While a bad economy hurts some, though that did not seem to hurt the Texans, the quality of play is no doubt the biggest factor. They are not going to contend with the currect team.
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If Drayton trades Berkman and Oswalt, who would be the face of the franchise? Why would anybody go to the games?
I think they should keep Berkman, unless they got a killer offer to remain a face of the franchise. However if they did trade both do you assume someone they got back could be a "face of the franchse" guy? Its not like trading them would have to lead to a 50 win team, so people would still go to see baseball. Besides, winning sells tickets. There is no reason why they would have to trade for guys that couldn't play in the majors for 5 years. Though the Astros don't seem to realixe it, you can bring up guys before they are 26. Refusing to rebuild at any point is only delaying the inevitable. sooner rather than later, Oswalt and Berkman will not able to contribute and they will need a new face.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 3:29 pm to H-Town Tiger
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If they dumped salary, he could still make more, even if attendence plummeted. He may even make more that way.
I don't know about that.
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It dropped by 500,000 since 2006. While a bad economy hurts some, though that did not seem to hurt the Texans, the quality of play is no doubt the biggest factor. They are not going to contend with the currect team.
No doubt it has dropped since then - they were in the World Series in 2005. But the Astros attendance currently being in the middle of the pack isn't bad considering they haven't been a legitimate playoff contending team in a couple of years.
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However if they did trade both do you assume someone they got back could be a "face of the franchse" guy?
I would hope so, but more likely than not, he'd be someone most of the fans aren't familiar with. It would take him a while to have any kind of emotional ties with the fanbase like Berkman and Oswalt.
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Besides, winning sells tickets. There is no reason why they would have to trade for guys that couldn't play in the majors for 5 years. Though the Astros don't seem to realixe it, you can bring up guys before they are 26. Refusing to rebuild at any point is only delaying the inevitable. sooner rather than later, Oswalt and Berkman will not able to contribute and they will need a new face.
They aren't what they once were, but Berkman still might be the Astros' best hitter and Oswalt is the second best starting pitcher on thin staff.
I doubt whomever they'd get back in trades would make a big enough immediate impact to sustain their previous winning percentage.
And I agree with what you are saying about rebuilding. I've been all for trading them for some time now. Drayton just doesn't believe in "rebuilding."
Posted on 2/24/10 at 3:50 pm to mattz1122
Michael Bourn is gonna come into ST as Willy Mays Hayes ML2
Mans gonna be bombin
Mans gonna be bombin
Posted on 2/24/10 at 3:52 pm to TEXASTIGER22
Bourn gives us reason to watch this team. I like how the results of the Lidge trade have evolved.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 3:57 pm to mattz1122
Ya it's pretty funny how much of a 180 that deal has turned into.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 4:12 pm to TEXASTIGER22
JR Towles is the next Russell Martin.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 4:31 pm to mattz1122
I wrote down my projections during class the other day. Seems appropriate to share here:
Bourn:.283 2HR 39RBI 56SB
Matsui:.288 4HR 43RBI 21SB
Berkman: .293 28HR 109RBI
Lee: .302 30HR 112RBI
Pence: .282 26 84
Feliz: .264 16 78
Towles: .248 6 45 (this is assuming hes the starter)
Manzella: .243 4 50
Pitchers
Oswalt: 14-10 3.68ERA
Wandy: 13-8 3.79
Myers: 10-10 4.39
Norris: 11-9 4.06
Paulino: 8-10 4.53
My assumptions are that Paulino beats out Moehler for the final spot but on the off chance Moehler stays in the rotation all year I'll say
9-12 5.29 ERA.
Give or take a few wins and losses with the pitchers and I may have gone a little high on some BA (Matsui, Lee)
Bourn:.283 2HR 39RBI 56SB
Matsui:.288 4HR 43RBI 21SB
Berkman: .293 28HR 109RBI
Lee: .302 30HR 112RBI
Pence: .282 26 84
Feliz: .264 16 78
Towles: .248 6 45 (this is assuming hes the starter)
Manzella: .243 4 50
Pitchers
Oswalt: 14-10 3.68ERA
Wandy: 13-8 3.79
Myers: 10-10 4.39
Norris: 11-9 4.06
Paulino: 8-10 4.53
My assumptions are that Paulino beats out Moehler for the final spot but on the off chance Moehler stays in the rotation all year I'll say
9-12 5.29 ERA.
Give or take a few wins and losses with the pitchers and I may have gone a little high on some BA (Matsui, Lee)
Posted on 2/24/10 at 4:42 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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I may have gone a little high on some BA (Matsui, Lee)
i would say about 40 points on both
Posted on 2/24/10 at 4:46 pm to H-Town Tiger
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It dropped by 500,000 since 2006. While a bad economy hurts some, though that did not seem to hurt the Texans, the quality of play is no doubt the biggest factor
Not so sure about that. I personally believe a struggling economy would effect baseball A LOT more than football.
I know it isnt as black and white as this, but "If" you would spend money on the same things every home game you attended for both sports (parking, food, drinks), it would be A LOT easier to cope and budget for a football season that has only one home game a week (8 total per season) and usually on Sunday afternoons as opposed to a baseball season that has 81 home games (sometimes 3-6 home games per week)that are mostly played on week nights.
Fans effected by the struggling economy could probably budget for 1 game a week in football, but no way keep up with multiple games per week in baseball, thus baseball average attendence would drop a lot more, IMO.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 4:49 pm to Captain Quackers
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i would say about 40 points on both
Lee is a career .291 hitter and his lowest average in his 3 years with the Astros is .300.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 5:21 pm to LSU32
Wandy is money for an All-Star selection. 
Posted on 2/24/10 at 7:04 pm to TTownTiger
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I know it isnt as black and white as this, but "If" you would spend money on the same things every home game you attended for both sports (parking, food, drinks), it would be A LOT easier to cope and budget for a football season that has only one home game a week (8 total per season) and usually on Sunday afternoons as opposed to a baseball season that has 81 home games (sometimes 3-6 home games per week)that are mostly played on week nights.
Overall football is more popular and because there are fewer games its more "recession proof". But avg FB tickets are also much more expensive. Also you are basically assuming an all or nothing type of mentality regarding baseball attendance. I would guess BB has far fewer season ticket holders because it is harder to attend 81 games vs 8. Still the Astros had 2.5M in attendance last year with a pretty bad team, I'm going to say if they were legit contenders like in 04, and 05, the attendance would closer to 3M. So I will have to disagree that the bad economy is more responsible for the drop off, though I realize there is no way to prove it either way.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 7:31 pm to acgeaux129
This team can definitely compete. 2 years ago a hurricane derailed our late season momentum. Last year we were in it right after the all-star break but then injuries set us back and we never got back on track. Ed Wade has done a great job rebuilding the farm system while also keeping the club in contention.
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