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re: Baylor has fired Art Briles
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:43 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:No, but they do. Apparently a lot of on-campus crimes, including sexual assault are reported and handled by CAMPUS police rather than the local police department.
you think that universities should be handling criminal investigations?
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:44 am to Oddibe
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Apparently a lot of on-campus crimes, including sexual assault are reported and handled by CAMPUS police rather than the local police department.
this is ridiculous, as a general statement
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:44 am to Pettifogger
Here is the summary of the findings per ESPNs Big12 writer
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:44 am to montanagator
It's not that they cannot investigate, it is they failed to report the rapes, that is a crime and a violation of NCAA rules. The schools investigative powers are not even relative to this.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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well that's a shitty policy of the Obama administration. probably one of the worst domestic policies of his reign
these investigations SHOULD be handled by the police because they are criminal
You know that Title IX was put in place under Nixon right?
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:45 am to Quidam65
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:45 am to Oddibe
quote:
Matthew Watkins ?@MWatkinsTrib
BREAKING: Baylor Athletic Director Ian McCaw has been "sanctioned and placed on probation."
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Matthew Watkins ??@MWatkinsTrib
BREAKING: Baylor announces President Starr will no longer be president. Transitioning to chancellor.
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 11:46 am
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:45 am to Baloo
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an someone give me the cliff notes over why he's being dismissed?
Multiple football players have committed sexual assaults and the school did not report them as required by law, and likely helped cover up the crimes with the assistance of the local DA.
They also took that Boise transfer who was essentially booted for Rape (it was a Jameis situation in Boise supposedly-- only the school and the LEOs didn't play ball and try to bury a credible but not provable allegation).
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:46 am to Killean
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You know that Title IX was put in place under Nixon right?
yes but these incidents weren't considered to be under Title 9 until the infamous letter
it's led to utter chaos on campuses with a ton of very terrible incidents
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:46 am to rebel of fortune
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So does Art Briles ever coach again after this?
If Jimbo jumps somewhere he seems like he'd be a good fit at FSU.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:47 am to montanagator
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They also took that Boise transfer who was essentially booted for Rape (it was a Jameis situation in Boise supposedly-- only the school and the LEOs didn't play ball and try to bury a credible but not provable allegation).
Then, tried to put the blame on Chris Pedersen by indicating that he failed to tell them why he was let go and that he was adamant about placing SU with Baylor.
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 11:48 am
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:47 am to ninthward
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It's not that they cannot investigate, it is they failed to report the rapes,
which sexual assaults weren't brought to the police? honest question
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:48 am to Tiger Ryno
I'm with SFP. It's not a good look at all, and maybe the new report coming out will have some more damning stuff, but other than an admittedly alarming tendency to recruit/accept transfers of bad apples, I'm not really sure what Briles did that was that wrong. He never let anyone suit up who was under indictment, and as soon as players were convicted in a court of law they were kicked off the team.
Now you could argue the university did a poor job of investigating these claims, but that's not Briles' job. That's up to the University to investigate the allegations and tell Briles whether or not his players are guilty of sexual assault. Have we forgotten Duke lacrosse or the UVA thing already? Of course these are actual assaults and that's terrible, but kicking players off teams or out of school based solely on accusations is also not the right way to handle it.
The entire culture of sexual assault and dealing with issues around the university was obviously poor, but I'm not sure how much of that is on Briles. Maybe he is king of everything and knew about every incident that happened and exactly what happened and he kept the flow of information poor and restricted on purpose. Or the whole university was just incompetent about handling criminal investigations bc they're a university and not a police department.
Now you could argue the university did a poor job of investigating these claims, but that's not Briles' job. That's up to the University to investigate the allegations and tell Briles whether or not his players are guilty of sexual assault. Have we forgotten Duke lacrosse or the UVA thing already? Of course these are actual assaults and that's terrible, but kicking players off teams or out of school based solely on accusations is also not the right way to handle it.
The entire culture of sexual assault and dealing with issues around the university was obviously poor, but I'm not sure how much of that is on Briles. Maybe he is king of everything and knew about every incident that happened and exactly what happened and he kept the flow of information poor and restricted on purpose. Or the whole university was just incompetent about handling criminal investigations bc they're a university and not a police department.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:50 am to SlowFlowPro
My point is colluding with a crooked DA to cover up a crime is not considered equal to reporting it.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:51 am to tigerfan88
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I'm with SFP. It's not a good look at all, and maybe the new report coming out will have some more damning stuff, but other than an admittedly alarming tendency to recruit/accept transfers of bad apples, I'm not really sure what Briles did that was that wrong. He never let anyone suit up who was under indictment, and as soon as players were convicted in a court of law they were kicked off the team.
yeah the university may be in shite, but Briles? other than some bad optics, it doesn't seem they can truly link much to him directly
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Now you could argue the university did a poor job of investigating these claims, but that's not Briles' job. That's up to the University to investigate the allegations and tell Briles whether or not his players are guilty of sexual assault.
exactly
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Have we forgotten Duke lacrosse or the UVA thing already?
exactly. that's exactly what we must strive to avoid
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Or the whole university was just incompetent about handling criminal investigations bc they're a university and not a police department.
basically
this baylor stuff seems to be the best example of why trying to fit this stuff under Title 9 is just ridiculous
leave criminal investigations up to the police
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:51 am to tigerfan88
quote:
I'm not really sure what Briles did that was that wrong.
I think the question that remains unanswered in the public record is (outside of just recruiting them), if he didn't have a real role in all of this, why did he make it his mission to tag Chris Pedersen with SU's issue? That's the part that doesn't make sense based on things we know for sure at this point. It is the part of Briles' involvement that doesn't make sense if he really had a clear heart, and empty head on this stuff.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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which sexual assaults weren't brought to the police? honest question
Apparently football personnel were meeting directly with girls and then not reporting it. I'm sure they were just directing them to the correct resources and telling them how to file a police report though.
> Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:51 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Clarification needed. My statement was ridiculous or the fact that Campus police handle such matters is ridiculous?
this is ridiculous, as a general statement
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:52 am to tigerfan88
I have to believe there is some really damning stuff because Baylor historically lets everything go for the sake of wins.
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 11:53 am
Posted on 5/26/16 at 11:53 am to ninthward
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My point is colluding with a crooked DA to cover up a crime is not considered equal to reporting it.
which one was covered up?
Elliot and Ukwuachu were convicted
neither were allowed to play once they were indicted
Armstead was never convicted (or indicted i think) and was still expelled. he's now suing Baylor for that
a recruit in another county was accused of something and those charges were dropped
Oakman was arrested/accused of this new incident after he had left Baylor and that's ongoing
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